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Cia Guy Aims At Seagal!!!


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YAHOO NEWS: Tue, Aug 05, 2003
Local NewYork Post
2 hours, 56 minutes ago

The CIA (news - web sites) mystery man who once claimed Steven Seagal asked him about "whacking" someone may soon be dragged into federal court to help discredit the action star as a witness in a mob trial, the Post has learned.

Herbert F. Saunders, 71, a retired senior intelligence officer, who worked for Seagal a decade ago as a security consultant, recently came forward to reveal dirty deeds he says the actor wanted him to commit - like gaining access to confidential Drug Enforcement Administration files he believed were being collected to frame him.

Saunders - who only now has revealed his identity - caused a stir a decade ago when he confidentially told Spy magazine's John Connolly about Seagal's "whack" idea and a scheme to blackmail a journalist in a gay tryst.

Angered over comments Seagal, 52, made about him during a February court appearance - when the actor testified against reputed wiseguy Anthony "Sonny" Ciccone - Saunders decided to reveal his identity to filmmakers working on a documentary about the star.

"I don't think he's able to sort out fantasy from fact," Saunders told filmmakers. "I think he sees himself in roles he's played in movies, ranging from hard-nosed tough cop to guy who's saving mongooses in the woods of Oregon."

Saunders recalls that when he worked for Seagal, the "Above the Law" star badly wanted a permit to wear a concealed gun and carry a weapon on airplanes.

The ponytailed, black-belt star is a witness in the trial of his former producer, Julius Nasso, who is accused of trying to squeeze him for $150,000 a movie. After watching the Saunders interview, Nasso's defense believes the decorated former spook should testify in court, saying he could shed light on Seagal's credibility - or lack thereof.

But prosecutors say Saunders' allegations have nothing to do with the case and would only embarrass the movie star.

Seagal's lawyer, Martin Pollner, agreed, calling the allegations "pure and utter nonsense" timed to tarnish Seagal's reputation.

Reached by phone at his Florida home, Saunders said, "While I'm not anxious to go to court to testify against Mr. Seagal, and I would prefer to put all of this well behind me, when the time comes, I'll do the right thing."

Saunders said he met Seagal in 1991, when a mutual acquaintance told him about a celebrity movie star with security concerns. He flew to an estate on Staten Island and met with Seagal and a man he later learned was Nasso. Things got weird right from the start.

First, the actor suggested to the veteran CIA official that he had worked for the agency - a ludicrous notion, according to Saunders, who had already checked him out and found he'd never worked there.

"In his discussion, he sort of implied he was a CIA operative," Saunders recalled, looking amused. "He used little words like 'those of us familiar with the Company.' We almost never said 'the Company.' "

Seagal, sitting by the pool in Nasso's luxurious next-door estate, then began complaining about Alan Richman, a journalist who had written an unflattering story about him in GQ magazine. For some reason, Seagal was convinced he was a "fag" - although Richman later denied it.

"He said he'd like to give Mr. Richman a bit of payback" - and then concocted a scheme to photograph him in the back seat of a car in a tryst with another man, Saunders said.

After Saunders turned down the assignment, Seagal hit him with an even darker one. Seagal said he was about to open a restaurant in Chicago, according to Saunders, but had a mortal enemy from his days in Southeast Asia, and he worried the man would assassinate him during the ribbon cutting.

Seagal was unimpressed when Saunders suggested a security plan and, according to Saunders, "He said, 'You mean you wouldn't whack him?' "

Later, the private eye said Seagal dished out a bizarre assignment: to investigate Nasso.

"From time to time, he would call and ask me to do something," said Saunders. "And most of it was kind of crazy."

The final straw came about a year after their first meeting, when he said Seagal wanted him to gain access to DEA files to learn about the agency's alleged frame job on him.

"I sort of told him to take a hike," Saunders said.



Smile dammit!
Interesting story, probably a smear job on Seagal. If this former CIA operative has any evidence, let's see it. Otherwise it's bollox.


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Storm said:
Interesting story, probably a smear job on Seagal. If this former CIA operative has any evidence, let's see it. Otherwise it's bollox.
Storm what does it mean "bollox" and Is this a story bad for Seagal or not ???
Thank you



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If I understood, it's another article where they say bad things about Mr. Seagal....
Didn't like that...
It looks the old guy wants to show off, get a little bit of famous...poor mind ah ?


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Suzi - "bollox" or "bollocks" is just Brit-speak for bulls**t. And yes, this is a bad story, a very bad story, if any of it could be proved (which I doubt). The story this man is telling first appeared in Spy magazine in 1993 (you can find it on the web). In the story, another CIA guy named Strickland pretty much accuses Steven of being a Mafia hit man himself as well as what this guy alleges Steven wanted him to do.

This story, I note, is almost word for word from the Spy magazine story. In the Spy magazine story, it mentions a mysterious "consultant". Since the "consultant" was never named in the story, anybody could come forward and claim to be the consultant, since all the so-called 'details' of what the consultant was asked to do are in the article.

The bottom line is, even if any of it were true, which I doubt, nothing happened, then or since. It was just all talk. And it's all irrelevant as far as the case against Julius Nasso is concerned. Nasso just wants to get off on the charges against him so that he can get his 60 million dollars in his lawsuit against Steven.

And how many lawyers first-named "Martin" does Steven have, anyhow? I've seen three so far - Pollner, Singer and another one whose name escapes me for the moment. It does go beyond coincidence, and makes one wonder where these reporters are getting their information from.


I Belong To Steven

Nothing valid here as far as I am concerned, all just somebodys puffed up story...

And if it has ANYTHING to do with Nasso, I tend to discredit it right away...

None of this stuff ever came to pass obviously, and frankly if Steven were asking such outrageuous things from this man, would he have kept dealing with Seagal at all?

This article is totally ridiculous and this man just seems to want the world to know that he knows Seagal, he is obviously trying to gain some noteriety...

The trial is long over, so there is no point in trying to discredit Steven any longer...

(well, maybe Nasso has his reasons, to try to get that 60 million...
Exactly my point, this article is trying to discredit Steven, there is no other reason it should come out right now, otherwise....)

This stuff is really disgusting....:rolleyes:


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The Gotti trial is over. The one against Nasso is still to come or is ongoing, I gather.

I remember when I first read the Spy story, it struck me that the details were reported in such a way that no one could either prove or disprove anything. There were a lot of "unnamed sources" and "sources close to the star" and other such rubbish. I believe that is what is called "yellow journalism", is it not? (Interesting to note that "yellow journalism" was a practice espoused by Joseph Pulitzer, you know, of Pulitzer Prize fame? But it was latter tagged onto William Randolph Hearst.)


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ok here's the link to the story that TDwoj was talking about .......

read it and see what you think , but i will warn you now that it does its best to smear steven , but i thot it was worth a read


P.s i didnt believe a word of it but you all need to make up your own minds



Thanks for the link, ZenMan. I hadn't heard of this before. After reading the article, I personally don't believe anything in it. Not because I'm blindly willing to believe Steven is a saint and that he's incapable of anything remotely like this, but because of the fact that no one else has ever followed up on any of this.

In this day and age, when all it takes is one little rumor to start a whole chain reaction, nothing has ever resulted from these accusations. I would imagine many reporters or people in the media or personal or business enemies of Steven would have done all they could to attempt to prove or substantiate any one of those statements in the article just to have a big breaking story or discredit him. The fact that no one else has ever publicly agreed with this article or documented any follow-up to anything printed in here indicates to me that they probably tried but could find nothing to incriminate him or prove anything.

This one terrible, vengeful, malicious article may very well be the "source" reporters or critics refer to when trying to make him look bad because there actually is no proof.

I for one will continue to believe in him as I have.


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ZenMan said:
ok here's the link to the story that TDwoj was talking about .......

read it and see what you think , but i will warn you now that it does its best to smear steven , but i thot it was worth a read


P.s i didnt believe a word of it but you all need to make up your own minds

It's a very entertaining piece. As a work of fiction, that is. The author of the piece for Spy is John Connolly, who went on to write the article that turned up in Penthouse about the allegations of sexual harrassment against Steven.


Smile dammit!
Thanks for the link Zenman. As TDWoj said, bollox is just my way of saying it's probably untrue. It's funny how such serious allegations have never come to court in proper charges. Still, who really knows anybody, even up close?


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I totally refuse these !! I know this link. I don't believe these !!! They force him too much !! I am moving this title to "Off Topic Section".
Because When you open the site you see it firstly !! I don't like this !!
Thank you very much


I Belong To Steven
omg, that guy connolly wrote this smut?
He obviously hates Steven...
And omg, now Steven himself is a hitman?
This is beyond belief...
I can't keep reading this stuff...
It's just too far fetched, I mean really...:rolleyes:
Maybe Steven isn't perfect but my goodness...
I will always adore him and I will not believe everything I read...
I thought it was coincidental that they said he can't read a map, if that's true, that makes two of us...:D
I love to get lost in the boonies with him, it doesn't matter where, either...;)
I believe in him...
And I stand by him, mistakes or not...:)

Mama San

Just another piece of crap!
Although he could become a
very good fiction writer! He
does such a great job of it
as a (you will excuse the
God bless,
Mama san