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Code Of Honor - Steven Seagal, Craig Sheffer (completed)

NCS

Active Member
I'm not trolling here guys, honestly I'm not - but it's kinda sad when I see you guys trying to scrape together some hope between you, after learning Seagal was doubled for an entire 2 minute fight you're saying that maybe there is still some hope it will be a good movie because he filmed close-ups for the others...pardon the French but what the f*ck? Is this what we've come to?...
Now I enjoyed Absolution, in fact I thought it was his best since Driven to Kill and he looked reasonably interested. I hated the last 10 minutes because Seagal owning Vinnie Jones was ludicrous. Not because Vinnie is a hard man, but because it was a completely wasted opportunity that I bet was Seagal's insistence.
I don't know how you guys can defend him any longer. I love his movies, I really do. But when stuff like this comes out, the only person stopping Seagal's movies from being better is Seagal himself. If the producers don't give a shit and Seagal doesn't give a shit, how can we be expected to? Again, I'm not trolling, but he's turned into a total joke in the action world. It's genuinely time he decided to either retire or put in the effort. Afterall, it's you guys he is disrespecting by putting in no effort, you run out and buy the DVDs as soon as they are released, yet he can't even be bothered to shoot a movie he's being paid to star in...something wrong there.
 

rastafari

Well-Known Member
I hated the last 10 minutes because Seagal owning Vinnie Jones was ludicrous

Why???

Vinnie Jones cant fight..Hes an ex footballer

Now Seagal vs Gary Daniels that was a wasted opportunity
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
Not sure i would call him a total joke, but true...he has become pretty unbelievable in his roles. Yes he still knows his stuff, just look at the video out of Russia. But his age is showing, also in his physical appearance.

He needs to put in some effort and step of his standard path and evolve his roles to a new stage fitting his current state in life. Something in the line of a character in PW. Or like in Machete.

He also needs to drop his invincible act, nobody is invincible. Not even Seagal.

So I think we keep hope that every new movie he makes is a step forward instead of sticking in the past or sometimes a step backwards. I think that is why we keep looking for the positive stories and keep faith untill the finished product. Who knows we might get surprised one day.

Peace
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
I hated the last 10 minutes because Seagal owning Vinnie Jones was ludicrous

Why???

Vinnie Jones cant fight..Hes an ex footballer

Now Seagal vs Gary Daniels that was a wasted opportunity
Vinnie is a streetfighter, a rumbler. He showed this many times in his illustrous football career. And in movies anything can be possible, so why couldn't he be a fighter?

Peace
 

Martin01

Well-Known Member
Staff member
In "Absolution", although I like the movie overall, he had a lot of fight and photo doubles...

The 2 minute fight with a double surely is a big letdown. It's really sad Seagal don't want to make this.

Also the other doubling is disappointing (though we know this since about 2003, unfortunately it's kind of "routine") and I absolutely understand your position.

For me the fight scenes are just a part of the movie and the movie still could have a chance to be good in different aspects (other action, locations...). But we will see.

Also we had an era with films with even bigger problems. I remember TYD or FOF with tons of stock footage or KS with the terrible editing.
 

Martin01

Well-Known Member
Staff member
I think that is why we keep looking for the positive stories and keep faith untill the finished product. Who knows we might get surprised one day.
I hope "Cypher" and the other projects he wrote the script for will be made...maybe he will be more motivated because they are his own projects.
 

DiDa

Super Moderator
Staff member
I'm not trolling here guys, honestly I'm not - but it's kinda sad when I see you guys trying to scrape together some hope between you, after learning Seagal was doubled for an entire 2 minute fight you're saying that maybe there is still some hope it will be a good movie because he filmed close-ups for the others...pardon the French but what the f*ck? Is this what we've come to?...
Now I enjoyed Absolution, in fact I thought it was his best since Driven to Kill and he looked reasonably interested. I hated the last 10 minutes because Seagal owning Vinnie Jones was ludicrous. Not because Vinnie is a hard man, but because it was a completely wasted opportunity that I bet was Seagal's insistence.
I don't know how you guys can defend him any longer. I love his movies, I really do. But when stuff like this comes out, the only person stopping Seagal's movies from being better is Seagal himself. If the producers don't give a shit and Seagal doesn't give a shit, how can we be expected to? Again, I'm not trolling, but he's turned into a total joke in the action world. It's genuinely time he decided to either retire or put in the effort. Afterall, it's you guys he is disrespecting by putting in no effort, you run out and buy the DVDs as soon as they are released, yet he can't even be bothered to shoot a movie he's being paid to star in...something wrong there.
This is not only happening with Seagal. Just check out Van Damme's Pound Of Flesh. This movie is full and I mean full of doubles. Very bad...I guess this is the way these guys work and how the 'low budget film making' process is at the moment. Not enough time and money....I spoke about it in another thread...
 

DiDa

Super Moderator
Staff member
Chris Romrell also told me that Seagal and Craig Sheffer are the lead actors. Code Of Honor will be an action-thriller where they go head to head.
 

rastafari

Well-Known Member
Vinnie is a streetfighter, a rumbler. He showed this many times in his illustrous football career. And in movies anything can be possible, so why couldn't he be a fighter?

Peace
Vinnie isnt a Streetfighter he was a pretty average football that in real life would be beaten in a few seconds by Seagal who is an aikedo master and also
skilled in Karate and Kendo

Now Gary Daniels or Darren Shahlevi etc should have been more equal end fights
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
Vinnie isnt a Streetfighter he was a pretty average football that in real life would be beaten in a few seconds by Seagal who is an aikedo master and also
skilled in Karate and Kendo

Now Gary Daniels or Darren Shahlevi etc should have been more equal end fights
Not the point. There are many actor that are not real fighters but 'were made' fighters for movies (Keanau Reeves, Matt Damon f.e.). So no matter what the background, in movies everybody can be a fighter and make a hell of fight if coreographed correctly. But that is the problem with Seagal movies these days, no preparation and Seagal doesn't want a fight, he has the need to seem invincible. And nobody, and i really mean nobody, is invincible.

It's a movie and the fight will be as good as it is prepared, choreographed and practiced. Improvising fights on the shooting day is not the way to go.

Peace
 

NCS

Active Member
Rastafari, the point I was making is that Vinnie Jones is in some respects an action actor, he's known for being physical in both the sporting profession and in the acting roles he takes. He fought with Stallone in Escape Plan and they had a pretty decent fight so why didn't he get one hit in when fighting Seagal? They build his character up as the bad guy and as a dangerous man and yet when it actually comes to the final fight, which should be tense, it's a total waste, Vinnie just gets slapped around like a wet tracksuit. If it was some nameless Bulgarian bad guy...fine, but Vinnie Jones and Seagal was a bit of a wasted opportunity to me, same as Seagal and Michael Pare and Seagal and Gary Daniels and Seagal and Byron Mann... I like Seagal's style and his invincibility but at a certain point it just becomes boring, you know exactly what's going to happen in the last 15 minutes of the film before it does - Seagal hands the main bad guy his ass and then a 20 year old chick gets naked for him. Absolution was pretty good up until that point, same as A Good Man. That's why Driven to Kill rocks right up to the end.
 

rastafari

Well-Known Member
Rastafari, the point I was making is that Vinnie Jones is in some respects an action actor, he's known for being physical in both the sporting profession and in the acting roles he takes. He fought with Stallone in Escape Plan and they had a pretty decent fight so why didn't he get one hit in when fighting Seagal? They build his character up as the bad guy and as a dangerous man and yet when it actually comes to the final fight, which should be tense, it's a total waste, Vinnie just gets slapped around like a wet tracksuit. If it was some nameless Bulgarian bad guy...fine, but Vinnie Jones and Seagal was a bit of a wasted opportunity to me, same as Seagal and Michael Pare and Seagal and Gary Daniels and Seagal and Byron Mann... I like Seagal's style and his invincibility but at a certain point it just becomes boring, you know exactly what's going to happen in the last 15 minutes of the film before it does - Seagal hands the main bad guy his ass and then a 20 year old chick gets naked for him. Absolution was pretty good up until that point, same as A Good Man. That's why Driven to Kill rocks right up to the end.
I know what your saying but Seagal films have never had any Tension even going back to his glory days you always know whats going to happen....look at OFJ maybe his best film but you know from minute 1 where its going

The thing that goes against Seagal when it comes to fight scenes is that aikedo is about using someones force against them so its hard to do a Stallone/Jones type fight for Seagal has it goes against his fight style
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
I know what your saying but Seagal films have never had any Tension even going back to his glory days you always know whats going to happen....look at OFJ maybe his best film but you know from minute 1 where its going

The thing that goes against Seagal when it comes to fight scenes is that aikedo is about using someones force against them so its hard to do a Stallone/Jones type fight for Seagal has it goes against his fight style
True for most of his films, but in US, US 2, Glimmerman, MFD it were good end fights, hell they even got to hit Seagal once or twice. So it is possible if some effort is put in to it, that's unfortunately missing these days in his movies.

I think we all see eye to eye on the subject by now, hopefully one day in the near future we will be celebrating his best fight sequence ever in a great, long, gritty end fight.

Peace
 

lee nicholson

Well-Known Member
I wish he'd make another movie as good as DRIVEN TO KILL (it's rapidly becoming one of my favourite Seagal movies)
Like I said in my review for ABSOLUTION, I wish he'd mix it up a little (and have a bit of variety in his fight scenes/moves) sadly though, I think Seagal is putting less and less time on set in recent movies.