Could aikido take any martial art?

[Sascha Petrosevitch]

On a Tuesday night (the night before my aikido lessons) ,I learn Thai Boxing.In the final part of the session about a fortnight ago,my instructor told me that there isn't a martial art in the world that can beat Thai on the grounds that the sheer force of the kick would send the opponent spiralling to the ground.I'm sure he has a point,but what I'm wondering is,is he right.Could an aikido fighter beat it,for instance?

I appreciate aikido is not a competitive martial art,and they are pretty much two different martial arts.But the other night when I was learning aikido,for instance,our instructor told us that the stronger your opponent is with aikido,the better,as he will end up absorbing the force greater in the end,or something.

I suppose what I'm wondering is,would any other martial art beat aikido in the opinions of the people on this forum?

Sascha

 

[Sleeping Fox]

You can't really stand a martial art up against another.

:yin:

 

[kokoro]

Anyone of any martial art can be beaten, it's just a matter of knowing how to beat them and who is better on the day.

I would be wary of ANY Instructor telling you that their martial art cannot be beat because they have special kicks, throws, or punches etc.

kokoro

:yin:

 

[Sleeping Fox]

lol,
Thai boxing = TKD hopped up on steroids.

Kokoro's the man, he seems to be the smartest one on here I've seen yet...but he'll say otherwise lol...Humble Bugger!

:yin:

 

[kokoro]

Actually my foxy brother , Muay Thai is pretty rugged, it is nothing like TKD. You get hit by an experienced Muay Thai practitioner and you will feel it:ironchief , nothing wrong with TKD mind you!

and ahh.....yeah......otherwise!!

 

[GlimmerMan]

Fox - TKD is very little more than 90% pretty kicks. Pretty useless kicks, actually. Thai-Boxing is a much more effective martial art in terms of if you had to defend yourself in a street situation.

Sascha - As far as I am concerned there is no 'ultimate' martial art which cannot be beaten and it is a fairly pointless exercise in attempting to compare an offensive/agressive martial art such as Thai-Boxing, where the main objective is to batter the living sh*te out of a person before he batters the living sh*te out of you, with a defensive martial art such as Aikido, which is also known as the 'gentle art'. It's like comparing a Dodge Viper with a rowing boat. If you like watching grown men getting licked in the ring, practise Thai-Boxing - if you want something which emphasises defence techniques but which also focuses on important spiritual aspects, practise Aikido.

Glimmer (seeking the path to spiritual enlightenment with a few bottles of Miller GD...)

 

[Sascha Petrosevitch]

Glimmer-I'd like to think one's character could be built from learning Muay Tuai and that you would come away a more sincere person from studying it.But,I guess you're entitled to your thoughts.

Besides which,I happen to prefer learning Thai fighting anyway,because our teacher is much nicer.Our Aikido instructor is a right surly craggy face,demanding too much all the time.I don't think he likes me personally very much either,and seems to take any opportunity he can to make me feel down and low.My Thai instructor is much more open,friendly and courteous.Important spiritual aspects indeed!

Plus the place we learn Aikido is a right little **** hole in comparison to where we learn Thai Boxing,a modern,up-to-date fitness centre............we learn Aikido at the YMCA down the road!!!

Sascha (No fun to be at the YMCA!!!
)

 

[GlimmerMan]

Sascha - I agree - learning Muay Thai can provide you with some serious character building blocks. If my post seemed negative at all with regards to Thai Boxing, it was unintentional and more a jokey post than anything else. I too have tried Aikido, but like yourself, preferred the more aggressive style of Muay Thai. Besides, the Aikido sensei was a jerk-off! I have been kickboxing/Thai Boxing for around 5 years now and the main thing I found it good for in terms of character development is self-confidence.

Take it easy.

Glimmer

 

[Disciple]

My style is kung fu. I've been doing various Shaolin animal styles since the age of 8 and I can safely say the guys I train with are some of the toughest SOBs you'll ever encounter. When taken to the higher levels, it could very easily take a lesser martial art such as boxing or kickboxing.

I also respect shootfighting and jujitsu as practiced by the Shamrocks and the Gracies. I'm kind of a learner in jujitsu but getting there.

Aikido is not an art I would choose, even though Seagal makes it look badass. Aikido is limited in the striking techniques relative to other styles, and I've never been a huge fan of using the opponent's force against him. I much prefer using my own force and letting him deal with the pain. LOL

 

[TDWoj]

Some of us don't have the strength to apply force, though. I'm thinking Aikido is something that would suit me because I'm just a little squirt with very little strength of my own.

 

[Disciple]

Yeah, Aikido is a perfect martial art to teach a woman. It's very "feminine" in nature. Seagal's ex wife is a master.

Myself, I'm 6ft1 and 275lbs solid, so I can dish it out when I need to.

 

[Sascha Petrosevitch]

Glimmer-Thanks for agreeing with me.I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about,shall I?When we all have to come and sit in line at the beginning of the lesson,he always singles me out by saying my posture isn't straight and yanking me by the hair upwards to get me in his idea of the correct position.And he tells the class to wear shoes from the changing room to the dojo because not doing so is 'unhygienic.'

But the weird thing is,in Aikido you have to perform this weird warming up ritual where you have to sort of grab your foot and wiggle it about in your hand.That's right,your hand!ER,EXCUSE ME?HOW THE **** IS THAT HYGIENIC?

"Yo Sensei,I'm going for a KFC after the lesson,can we not do this?"

God help me were I ever to blurt that out in class one day.

It seems so that Aikido is supposed to refine your character,but all it seems to do in my eyes is make you a pompous,uptight ass*ole.

Sascha (Not generalising)

 

[GlimmerMan]

Sascha - your teacher sounds like a dick, and if I were you, I'd disable him with a swift hurricane kick to the hooter, before bowing and getting the hell out of there!

 

[Sascha Petrosevitch]

Originally posted by GlimmerMan
Sascha - your teacher sounds like a dick, and if I were you, I'd disable him with a swift hurricane kick to the hooter, before bowing and getting the hell out of there!

AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Markydo]

Christ i must be lucky!

The sensei at my dojo is great! he tells you off but in a decent way he will tell you something is wrong but will then pick up on something that is right!

if he grabbed me by the hair i would tear his arm off! Aikido or not

as for any art beating another there would be a lot variables!

it would all come down to circumstance! if a practitioner of tkd slipped on something and fell forward then! or if the Aikidoka took a boot to the face and couldnt see then!
I personally dont believe that any one art is any more likely to win a fight than another!

But after reading your reply about your Sensei then i too would change! at least dojos.

Markydo

 

[kle1n]

mixing a 1 or max. 2 martial arts with aikido is the trick. aikido alone wont get you too far if your enemy throw fast punches and is one of these small only jab throwers

 

[Kido Ryu]

Sascha Hello, How are you today?
In my opinion I would have to agree with the idea that one can not compare different Martial Arts with each other, as all fighting arts have good points and bad points.
One cannot form an honest opinion on an art from a single experience with a single instructor. There are good and poor instructors in every art forum.
If it is ones desire to be a great Martial Artist.....then what one should do is study a few different arts to get a good idea as to what is available and what another could use against one..... find the art, or arts that fits ones own stature and master the techniques that one gravitates toward.

In my opinion I think if an instructor is any good then he/she should be able to teach the lesson with out having to show the whole class how bad he/she is at the expense of another and to belittle or chastise a student is a sign of a week mind.

Respectfully,
Rev.Dean

 

[Sleeping Fox]

Deannnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sascha Petrosevitch]

Sascha Hello, How are you today?
In my opinion I would have to agree with the idea that one can not compare different Martial Arts with each other, as all fighting arts have good points and bad points.
One cannot form an honest opinion on an art from a single experience with a single instructor. There are good and poor instructors in every art forum.
If it is ones desire to be a great Martial Artist.....then what one should do is study a few different arts to get a good idea as to what is available and what another could use against one..... find the art, or arts that fits ones own stature and master the techniques that one gravitates toward.

In my opinion I think if an instructor is any good then he/she should be able to teach the lesson with out having to show the whole class how bad he/she is at the expense of another and to belittle or chastise a student is a sign of a week mind.

Respectfully,
Rev.Dean

Thank you for the kind post Rev Dean.It's such a shame as well,because although as you may have read I wasn't particularly fond of the place where we learned Aikido,it was just right down the road from me,just a ten minute walk.It's such a shame to have the opportunity to learn the art which made Sensei Seagal so great right on your doorstep,and to have to stop on the grounds of an unpleasant instructor.Such a shame.

In Peace and Love

Sascha

 

[kle1n]

why are so many aikido teachers weird freaks?