Steven Seagal and Chuck Norris

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

I would have to disagree with you on that, Steeven, I think many people reject Christianity later in life, whether to follow an easier secular path or to follow a different spiritual path.
I know what you mean about Steven's characters, especially in his earlier movies, but I also think that this changes in some of his later movies... maybe I will have to watch them all in sequence to be more specific. (Now there's an appealing "research" task!)
But I also think that there is a definite theme in all his movies about justice, fairness, kindness to people and Earth, and a rejection of greed, thoughtlessness and cruelty. These are not exclusively Christian values - they are found in many spiritual creeds.

point and case taken. Very open-minded reply. Interesting observation? But Steven Seagal's brand of cinematic justice to me is definately springing from christian values. Sorry i must disagree with u.

 

[tigerfeet]

point and case taken. Very open-minded reply. Interesting observation? But Steven Seagal's brand of cinematic justice to me is definately springing from christian values. Sorry i must disagree with u.

Well, I guess that would depend on whether you mean "exclusively Christian" values, or whether you man values that are found both within Christianity and in other spiritual value systems. However, that may not be a point that can be adequately examined within this forum!
I will agree that our man's cinematic justice (I like that expression!) does include small-c christian values. But I wonder whether that is done with the explicit intent of promoting those values as part of an overall Christian theology, or whether there are other principles involved.
What do you think??
(Most of my friends just tell me that I think too much...)

 

[Sue]

This is a very interesting discussion. I'm like Tigerfeet and think too much but today's question in my mind is the Christianity/cinematic justice and relating it to Urban (Renegade) Justice. Doesn't the Christian Bible teach 'turn the other cheek' not 'shoot the mother f***ers'?

However in his real life I believe he is very spiritual and his beliefs are from many religions. The core values of so many religions are the same.

 

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

Well, I guess that would depend on whether you mean "exclusively Christian" values, or whether you man values that are found both within Christianity and in other spiritual value systems. However, that may not be a point that can be adequately examined within this forum!
I will agree that our man's cinematic justice (I like that expression!) does include small-c christian values. But I wonder whether that is done with the explicit intent of promoting those values as part of an overall Christian theology, or whether there are other principles involved.
What do you think??
(Most of my friends just tell me that I think too much...)

as i stated in my opening thread, "Steven Seagal has loving values about his person and spirit through his birth and early childhood. Therefore, very much Jesus like.

 

[tigerfeet]

as i stated in my opening thread, "Steven Seagal has loving values about his person and spirit through his birth and early childhood. Therefore, very much Jesus like.

Yeah, but being Christ-like doesn't mean that you are Christ-ian. It just means you are a good, loving and spiritual person. And hasn't it recently been said that Seagal is the reincarnation of a Buddhist monk who was committed to relieving suffering? That would require the same sorts of loving values and spirituality.

As for Sue's comment about "turn the other cheek" that is true of the New Testament (which I suppose is what we are talking about here) but not so much in the Old!
Still, issues like justice versus vengeance are interesting ones. Do you think that being a Christian means being a pacifist? Personally, I think that in some cases you cannot stand by and be a pacifist (hey, maybe we could say Steven is a paciFIST he he ).
So, how to know when to forgive, when to turn the other cheek, and when to step in with force to make things right?
I wish we had some way of asking Steven Seagal these questions directly...

 

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

Steven is not a Christian!
Although he was raised as one. He chose
to become a Buddhist.

As far as I know he is neither of Native American
nor Italian decent.

God bless,
Mama san

In actuality, Steven Seagal has stated in a magazine article that he is alot of ethnic backgrounds, but he chose not to detail of which race or nationality? But obviously, Steven Seagal does look of native american tribal ancestry and a highly bred/good bone structure of a man. Sensei Steven Seagal's ex-uchideshi 'Craig Dunn' has stated in "The Path Beyond Thought" video that Sensei Steven Seagal is of 'anglo-saxon ancestry, must be true if this comes from a past student of Sensei Steven Seagal's. But i don't think Italians are considered anglo-saxons? Pretty sure that all anglo-saxons are of green or blue eyed DNA make up. I think Italians are of Indo-European/brown eyed descent?

 

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

Oh yeah, Steven Seagal was born and raised as an Episcipalian, as were alot of persons enrolled on native american tribal reserves. Such as the Blackfeet tribe in Montana of which Steven Seagal is an honorary member through adoption by Blackfeet tribe.

 

[CountryEagle]

Hi Don!

Hi Don! Do you know that although MOST Native Americans are born with dark hair and brown or green eyes, that every few generations a pure blooded Native Am. girl will be born and grow up with natural blond hair and blue eyes. Check this fact out with the Houma-Chactaw tribe in Houma Louisiana(told to me, by my friend A...... Grayhawk). To me, that is called evidence that no matter what nationality our family has roots in, which is part of who we uniquely are(culture and all), that we ALL originated from the SAME one man and one woman ADONAI GOD made and that we are all brothers and sisters. I strongly believe that with ALL my heart. That is why I have such a deep longing to study different cultures and peoples and languages.... because all so beautiful in their own unique way and is part of my family. I also have a friend I haven't seen in years who use to date my Chactaw-English father when I was a teenager, who was from the Blackfoot Tribe in Alabama; She had blond hair and blue eyes. I just remembered that.

 

[tigerfeet]

I don't know that it matters much what Steven's ancestry is. The fact remains that he is a very spiritual and spiritually aware person.
As for his upbringing and religious background, I think a lot of people search for something to believe in, other than the religion they are brought up with. It is interesting to me that Steven found his way with Buddhism and martial arts, and has a passion for the blues. I don't find it that strange a combination - in fact, it is much the same combination as my own belief systems... there is power in all three, and they can complement each other.

 

[tigerfeet]

btw i have no idea why little purple faces keep appearing next to some of my posts. Anyone know how to get rid of them??