Steven's grandparents origin
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I am a genealogist- that simply means I do family history research. My work in that field is limited to my own family. Believe me working back to the 1800's 1700's and 1600's is a major task in and of itself. I do not have the time nor inclination to take on researching anyone else's family.
I can tell you that if you want your question answered truthfully you will have to do your own research. This means you will have to write off for and pay for birth and death certificates of each family member you are interested in tracing. Basic advice genealogists give out say you start with yourself, your parents, then your grandparents and so forth until you strike the inevitable 'brick wall', that point you can not get past because your relatives are sitting back there laughing at your feeble efforts to find them.
There are web sites out there that offer not only good advice but places like familysearch.org (run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints). They have millions of names stored on their databases.
However, the name SEAGAL offers very little information. The 1880 U.S. Census and the 1881 Canadian Census only has about 15 SEAGAL names between the two countries. The International Genealogical Index (IGI) only offers three names. Plus you have to remember that female names on census records reflected the woman's married name - not her birth name. Thus, of the five females listed on the two census, four of them were married women and not SEAGAL's by birth.
So VadminK, you choice is to go and buy the records from Michigan's vital records department or write to Mr. Seagal through his management group and hope he considers your request worthy of answering. For anything you get from here will come down to hearsay or unprovable facts.
Myst
I am a genealogist- that simply means I do family history research. My work in that field is limited to my own family. Believe me working back to the 1800's 1700's and 1600's is a major task in and of itself. I do not have the time nor inclination to take on researching anyone else's family.
I can tell you that if you want your question answered truthfully you will have to do your own research. This means you will have to write off for and pay for birth and death certificates of each family member you are interested in tracing. Basic advice genealogists give out say you start with yourself, your parents, then your grandparents and so forth until you strike the inevitable 'brick wall', that point you can not get past because your relatives are sitting back there laughing at your feeble efforts to find them.
There are web sites out there that offer not only good advice but places like familysearch.org (run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints). They have millions of names stored on their databases.
However, the name SEAGAL offers very little information. The 1880 U.S. Census and the 1881 Canadian Census only has about 15 SEAGAL names between the two countries. The International Genealogical Index (IGI) only offers three names. Plus you have to remember that female names on census records reflected the woman's married name - not her birth name. Thus, of the five females listed on the two census, four of them were married women and not SEAGAL's by birth.
So VadminK, you choice is to go and buy the records from Michigan's vital records department or write to Mr. Seagal through his management group and hope he considers your request worthy of answering. For anything you get from here will come down to hearsay or unprovable facts.
Myst
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Hi VadimK!
Yah Gah-vuh Ree-Tee Pyrusky? Yah Gah-vuh Ree-Tee Nim Noh-guh Pyrusky. Zstrahtz-weetz-ee-uh! Kahg-Dill-lah? Rahz-Reh Sheh-teh Prit-sah-vits-szuh, Mehn-yah Zah-Voot, Stacey. Kahk-Whah Zah-Voot? I definately look forward to hearing from you. You can PM me if you want. If you don't know what that is, just ask and I will send you a PM.... Dahs-vee-dahn-yuh, Pee-Kah! (Yoh O-Chin Lube-Lue-Vahss Brooder)! (E-Suess Lue-bitt Tee-behar!!!)
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Yah Gah-vuh Ree-Tee Pyrusky? Yah Gah-vuh Ree-Tee Nim Noh-guh Pyrusky. Zstrahtz-weetz-ee-uh! Kahg-Dill-lah? Rahz-Reh Sheh-teh Prit-sah-vits-szuh, Mehn-yah Zah-Voot, Stacey. Kahk-Whah Zah-Voot? I definately look forward to hearing from you. You can PM me if you want. If you don't know what that is, just ask and I will send you a PM.... Dahs-vee-dahn-yuh, Pee-Kah! (Yoh O-Chin Lube-Lue-Vahss Brooder)! (E-Suess Lue-bitt Tee-behar!!!)
Love Your Sister, Eagle/Stacey
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Hi Halkush!
Hi Halkush! Multi-lingual, are we? LOL! Do you really speak and understand Russian?!!! I know how to speak a little Russian, but I am not so good at reading & writing it, except the alphabet... So I guess I am a kindergardner in Russian! LOL! The way I typed it here, is how it phonetically sounds to me... That is how I learn to speak words in other languages. It is part of my language learning system... I just write down how it sounds phonetically, that way I learn how to say the words properly & remember them that way.... Hope you have a blessed Day!
Love Your Sister, Eagle/Stacey
Hi Halkush! Multi-lingual, are we? LOL! Do you really speak and understand Russian?!!! I know how to speak a little Russian, but I am not so good at reading & writing it, except the alphabet... So I guess I am a kindergardner in Russian! LOL! The way I typed it here, is how it phonetically sounds to me... That is how I learn to speak words in other languages. It is part of my language learning system... I just write down how it sounds phonetically, that way I learn how to say the words properly & remember them that way.... Hope you have a blessed Day!
Love Your Sister, Eagle/Stacey
This anglicised /phonetic version of learning Russian is great Coutryeagle.
It means those who are learning to speak the language can pronounce the language more accurately.
Great idea.
Very much like learning the Romanised versions of Mandarin.
It's not easy to learn Chinese or Cyrillic languages like Sebian, Rusian, Ukrainian and Macedonian.
having a phoneticised version to learn along side sure makes it easier.
halkush
It means those who are learning to speak the language can pronounce the language more accurately.
Great idea.
Very much like learning the Romanised versions of Mandarin.
It's not easy to learn Chinese or Cyrillic languages like Sebian, Rusian, Ukrainian and Macedonian.
having a phoneticised version to learn along side sure makes it easier.
halkush
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Hi Halkush!
Thank You! The LORD and determination to learn other languages, gave me the idea for writing down words, phrases & songs, phonetically how they sound to me, which has helped me tremendously. My friends from Regia, Latvia (who I have lost touch with) and a current friend from Russia/Native of Russia Who lives in Israel (Russian Jew-now Messianic Jewish CHRISTian), say I speak Russian like a native. My Friend in Isreal, also said that I pronounce Hebrew very well, when I sang a Jewish Psalms Song for her, to see if she knows it. All that to say, my way of learning to speak other languages, helps me a lot.
Russian is easy. Mandarin Chinese is hard... It is the 5 tones they have, that makes it so difficult. I can say some things ok, but it is the numbers I can read, write & say in mandarin the best. I know all the numbers; that is the easiest.... I knew we could relate, but didn't know just how much...now I see, you love to leran other laguages too.... Gota go now...Si-gin! Wahn-ahn! (Mandarin) Spih-coh-nin noh-cheh! Peh-kah! (Russian)
Love Your Sister,
Eagle/Stacey
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Thank You! The LORD and determination to learn other languages, gave me the idea for writing down words, phrases & songs, phonetically how they sound to me, which has helped me tremendously. My friends from Regia, Latvia (who I have lost touch with) and a current friend from Russia/Native of Russia Who lives in Israel (Russian Jew-now Messianic Jewish CHRISTian), say I speak Russian like a native. My Friend in Isreal, also said that I pronounce Hebrew very well, when I sang a Jewish Psalms Song for her, to see if she knows it. All that to say, my way of learning to speak other languages, helps me a lot.
Russian is easy. Mandarin Chinese is hard... It is the 5 tones they have, that makes it so difficult. I can say some things ok, but it is the numbers I can read, write & say in mandarin the best. I know all the numbers; that is the easiest.... I knew we could relate, but didn't know just how much...now I see, you love to leran other laguages too.... Gota go now...Si-gin! Wahn-ahn! (Mandarin) Spih-coh-nin noh-cheh! Peh-kah! (Russian)
Love Your Sister,
Eagle/Stacey
Love
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Thank You Suzi!.....
Thank you Suzi! I did not remember too much about what I had learnd about Mongolia but I did slightly remember they had some connection to Russia, so I did some research today.... Now I know what the connection is. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Mongolia did not have any written language utill they had a need for administrative & relegious purposes. In developing a written language, they borrowed characters from other cultural groups. When Mongolia was under Soviet influence, they replace their language script with Cyrillic script, which is based on Greek characters and the foundation of the Russian script with slight modifications, from the 9th century...The script they currently use now is from the 13th century, from what I understand. The Two countries who have the most interest in influencing Mongolia, are China & Russia. Another fact concerning their written language, is that although they have 26 characters to represent the sounds of their spoken language, there are some sounds of the Mongolian Spoken language that can not be represented by the written characters they have. This is ALL very interesting to me. I can't wait to read more.... I hope this helps whoever is interested.
Love Always Your Sister,
Eagle/Stacey
Thank you Suzi! I did not remember too much about what I had learnd about Mongolia but I did slightly remember they had some connection to Russia, so I did some research today.... Now I know what the connection is. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Mongolia did not have any written language utill they had a need for administrative & relegious purposes. In developing a written language, they borrowed characters from other cultural groups. When Mongolia was under Soviet influence, they replace their language script with Cyrillic script, which is based on Greek characters and the foundation of the Russian script with slight modifications, from the 9th century...The script they currently use now is from the 13th century, from what I understand. The Two countries who have the most interest in influencing Mongolia, are China & Russia. Another fact concerning their written language, is that although they have 26 characters to represent the sounds of their spoken language, there are some sounds of the Mongolian Spoken language that can not be represented by the written characters they have. This is ALL very interesting to me. I can't wait to read more.... I hope this helps whoever is interested.
Love Always Your Sister,
Eagle/Stacey
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Ps - How Beautiful!!!
I was just reading some more in the book I am reading, about Mongolia, and found some things Very Beautiful that I didn't know about before. I was just reading about the Soyombo Script & Symbol, and the meanig of it, is So Deep & Beautiful! The Soyombo Symbol has become the national emblem of Mongolia, that stands for Freedom & Independence. It has a 5-point star at the top. Below it is a flame that symbolizes Blossoming, Revival and Family Constitution. The 3-Points of the flame represent the peoples past, present & future prosperity. Below the flame is a sun & crescent moon that symbolizes the Mongolian Peoples origin. The triangles expresses Freedom & Independence Wishes. The Horizontal Rectangle Sides represent Honosty, Justice and Nobility. The broader - Vertical Rectangles represent fortress walls. In the Middle of the geometric shapes of the emblem, are 2 fish intertwined like the Yen-Yang Symbol, representing the unity of men & women. Mongolian Folklore says that fish never close their eyes, making them vigilant creatures. These Fish Symbolize Wishing That People WILL Be UNITED So That THEY WILL Be Stronger Than the Fortress Walls!!!
That is just SO Beautiful and has such Deep Truth! I LOVE IT! ABSLOUTELY LOVE IT!!!! There So Much we don't know about other Cultures, That is So Beautiful, Until we take the time to study, learn and interact with others who are from a different culture other than the one(s) we were raised in!!! I hope all of you are as Blessed by this, as I am.
Love Always Your Sister,
Eagle/Stacey
PS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, VadimK, for Asking This question and to Suzi for Answering!!!
I was just reading some more in the book I am reading, about Mongolia, and found some things Very Beautiful that I didn't know about before. I was just reading about the Soyombo Script & Symbol, and the meanig of it, is So Deep & Beautiful! The Soyombo Symbol has become the national emblem of Mongolia, that stands for Freedom & Independence. It has a 5-point star at the top. Below it is a flame that symbolizes Blossoming, Revival and Family Constitution. The 3-Points of the flame represent the peoples past, present & future prosperity. Below the flame is a sun & crescent moon that symbolizes the Mongolian Peoples origin. The triangles expresses Freedom & Independence Wishes. The Horizontal Rectangle Sides represent Honosty, Justice and Nobility. The broader - Vertical Rectangles represent fortress walls. In the Middle of the geometric shapes of the emblem, are 2 fish intertwined like the Yen-Yang Symbol, representing the unity of men & women. Mongolian Folklore says that fish never close their eyes, making them vigilant creatures. These Fish Symbolize Wishing That People WILL Be UNITED So That THEY WILL Be Stronger Than the Fortress Walls!!!
That is just SO Beautiful and has such Deep Truth! I LOVE IT! ABSLOUTELY LOVE IT!!!! There So Much we don't know about other Cultures, That is So Beautiful, Until we take the time to study, learn and interact with others who are from a different culture other than the one(s) we were raised in!!! I hope all of you are as Blessed by this, as I am.
Love Always Your Sister,
Eagle/Stacey
PS. THANK YOU SO MUCH, VadimK, for Asking This question and to Suzi for Answering!!!
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This Is Awesome-Common Interest Link to Ulaanbaatar
For Years I have subscribed to The Natural Museum Of History Magazine-out of New York-USA, and to the Smithsonian Magazine-out of Washington D.C. (where they also have a Museum of Natural History & Man), supporting many of their causes....I jsut read that the late great Naturalist/Adventurer/Fossil-Hunter Scientist, Roy Chapman Andrews from the Museum of Natural History in New York, Led the FIRST scientific expadition through the Gobi Desert (one of the 13 Nature Reserves of Mongolia). Since the Ulaanbaatar Museum of Natural History was established in 1924, I am assuming he helped found their First Natural Museum in Mongolia, since he visited the Gobie Desert on expiditions in 1922, 1923 and in 1925. I haven't found out, yet, who founded the museum; but I will find out, even if I have to call them one day next week.... In some way, I am sure that the Museum of Natural History in NY-USA and the Ulaanbaatar Museum Of Natural History in Mongolia, are "Sister Museums".
I certainly need to renew my subscription to both magazines. Especially if they help contribute to Scientific Endevors in Mongolia, Collaboratively with the Mongolian Acadamy of Sciences....Both Scientific Institutions, The American Museum of Natural History in New York & the Smithsonian Institute in WDC-USA, do help with Wildlife & Cultural Preservations!!! Two things I am strongly for. How Awesome is this!!! Mr. Seagal is SOOOOOOO BLESSED to have family from this culture, in Mongolia. I hope all of you enjoy all of this informantion, as I am learning more and more about Mongolia & Ulaanbaatar Mongolia....It is just too Awesome to miss out on!
Love Always Your Sister,
CountryEagle/Stacey
For Years I have subscribed to The Natural Museum Of History Magazine-out of New York-USA, and to the Smithsonian Magazine-out of Washington D.C. (where they also have a Museum of Natural History & Man), supporting many of their causes....I jsut read that the late great Naturalist/Adventurer/Fossil-Hunter Scientist, Roy Chapman Andrews from the Museum of Natural History in New York, Led the FIRST scientific expadition through the Gobi Desert (one of the 13 Nature Reserves of Mongolia). Since the Ulaanbaatar Museum of Natural History was established in 1924, I am assuming he helped found their First Natural Museum in Mongolia, since he visited the Gobie Desert on expiditions in 1922, 1923 and in 1925. I haven't found out, yet, who founded the museum; but I will find out, even if I have to call them one day next week.... In some way, I am sure that the Museum of Natural History in NY-USA and the Ulaanbaatar Museum Of Natural History in Mongolia, are "Sister Museums".
I certainly need to renew my subscription to both magazines. Especially if they help contribute to Scientific Endevors in Mongolia, Collaboratively with the Mongolian Acadamy of Sciences....Both Scientific Institutions, The American Museum of Natural History in New York & the Smithsonian Institute in WDC-USA, do help with Wildlife & Cultural Preservations!!! Two things I am strongly for. How Awesome is this!!! Mr. Seagal is SOOOOOOO BLESSED to have family from this culture, in Mongolia. I hope all of you enjoy all of this informantion, as I am learning more and more about Mongolia & Ulaanbaatar Mongolia....It is just too Awesome to miss out on!
Love Always Your Sister,
CountryEagle/Stacey
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Finally Called Am. Natural Museum of History
I finally called the American Museum of Natural History, in New York. I Spoke to a Paleontologist who has been going to the Gobi Desert, in Mongolia, for the past 20 years. He said that the late great Roy Chanpman Andrews may have had something to do with the First Establishe Museum of Natural History, in Ulaanbaatar Mongolia, but not completely certain. He suggested I Purchase a book called "Dragon Hunter", by Charles Gallenkamp. I asked him about their language, and he said their language SOUNDS a lot like Finnish or Turkish; But said that the Cyrillic Script is not used anymore, that was only used when Russia Banned the Mongolians from using any other form of writting, other than Cyrillic. They now use Sand Script, to write.
I also asked Mr. Norell if there was anything available, here in the US, for learning the Mongolian Language. He suggested I purchase a dictionary published by Lonely Plannet Publishers. He did tell me how to say, "Hello, How Are You", before I concluded my conversation with him. It is, in my phonetical spelling way, "Sign Bye Ngue". It will be a while before I can do any more research, so for now, I hope all of you have enjoyed what I have posted about the Mongolian People.... Such a Beautiful Culture!!!!
I finally called the American Museum of Natural History, in New York. I Spoke to a Paleontologist who has been going to the Gobi Desert, in Mongolia, for the past 20 years. He said that the late great Roy Chanpman Andrews may have had something to do with the First Establishe Museum of Natural History, in Ulaanbaatar Mongolia, but not completely certain. He suggested I Purchase a book called "Dragon Hunter", by Charles Gallenkamp. I asked him about their language, and he said their language SOUNDS a lot like Finnish or Turkish; But said that the Cyrillic Script is not used anymore, that was only used when Russia Banned the Mongolians from using any other form of writting, other than Cyrillic. They now use Sand Script, to write.
I also asked Mr. Norell if there was anything available, here in the US, for learning the Mongolian Language. He suggested I purchase a dictionary published by Lonely Plannet Publishers. He did tell me how to say, "Hello, How Are You", before I concluded my conversation with him. It is, in my phonetical spelling way, "Sign Bye Ngue". It will be a while before I can do any more research, so for now, I hope all of you have enjoyed what I have posted about the Mongolian People.... Such a Beautiful Culture!!!!
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