Why is he always treated bad by critics?
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Lotussan
I Belong To Steven
Tom Cruise sucks...
He is not a good actor...
Steven is an action star, and expected to provide action, not a lot of lines, but I feel that he is a fine actor, I feel he's much better than Arnie for example...
But he's not appreciated for this kind of thing, I guess...
Just as he isn't appreciated for the enviromental stance, even though it is
a very worthy effort and message that he is trying to convey...
I think some people are offended by it, maybe because they think it's too difficult for them too make a difference in the world, too inconvenient, perhaps...
All I can say, is thank-god for people like Steven...
Sure he's not perfect, but at least he cares about the things that really matter...
And he tries to make a difference given the fortunate position that he's in...
I think that is something very admirable...
I am very proud to call myself a Seagal fan...
He is not a good actor...
Steven is an action star, and expected to provide action, not a lot of lines, but I feel that he is a fine actor, I feel he's much better than Arnie for example...
But he's not appreciated for this kind of thing, I guess...
Just as he isn't appreciated for the enviromental stance, even though it is
a very worthy effort and message that he is trying to convey...
I think some people are offended by it, maybe because they think it's too difficult for them too make a difference in the world, too inconvenient, perhaps...
All I can say, is thank-god for people like Steven...
Sure he's not perfect, but at least he cares about the things that really matter...
And he tries to make a difference given the fortunate position that he's in...
I think that is something very admirable...
I am very proud to call myself a Seagal fan...
yudansha
TheGreatOne
no disrespect
Lotussan I agree with you on that Seagal is not appreciated enough for all the work he does, but I don't think that Seagal is looking for much publicity for his generosity (maybe just for publicity out of his acting). Lotussan, Tom Cruise gets very involved with the roles he does; more so than any other actor of today. You should read on the stunts he pulled in MI-2 and the rigorous preparation he put himself through for the Last Samurai. You just can't not respect his work (and ALL critics will disagree with you on the point that Tom Cruise sucks).
The last few films (except T3) with Schwarzenegger I just found laughable. Even Seagal's straight to video I think were better.
Lotussan I agree with you on that Seagal is not appreciated enough for all the work he does, but I don't think that Seagal is looking for much publicity for his generosity (maybe just for publicity out of his acting). Lotussan, Tom Cruise gets very involved with the roles he does; more so than any other actor of today. You should read on the stunts he pulled in MI-2 and the rigorous preparation he put himself through for the Last Samurai. You just can't not respect his work (and ALL critics will disagree with you on the point that Tom Cruise sucks).
The last few films (except T3) with Schwarzenegger I just found laughable. Even Seagal's straight to video I think were better.
Lotussan
I Belong To Steven
ok, maybe I should have said he's boring...To me he is very boring...
I have tried and tried to watch him, and he just makes me yawn...
Steven on the other hand gives me palpitations, but who's to explain what I see,
maybe I am not the average movie fan, but Steven isn't the average man, either,
at least not IMO...He's sooooooo interesting to me...
I have tried and tried to watch him, and he just makes me yawn...
Steven on the other hand gives me palpitations, but who's to explain what I see,
maybe I am not the average movie fan, but Steven isn't the average man, either,
at least not IMO...He's sooooooo interesting to me...
Why Steven Seagal is treated bad by critics
Hi All
I have been trying to work out critics for a long while and have come to some conclusions. I have noticed critics wearing pitiful looking clothing, yet they end up judging a singer for example as having disgusting clothes on. That's how laughable and insane critics are. So, obviously the critics have to bad mouth others to make themselves feel better as they have no taste in clothing or talent themselves. How many of the judges do you see on the Idol shows that are former singers whose careers have gone down the drain, yet find themselves as Idol judges who have the power to bad mouth contestants, and then forget their own lost careers, and feel better about themselves. The critics of Steven Seagal are like this, they are jealous of his martial arts and movie accomplishments and that they have none themselves, so they try to bring the star like Steven back to their pitiful low level by bad mouthing him and trying to make him feel bad about himself. The critics can't face themselves in the mirror as they would then have to face reality that they are the losers. Steven is too strong to worry himself with idiot critics. I agree with another board member that, as Steven himself also said on Leno, every movie can't be a hit, some will not go well and others will be big hits, and you just have to enjoy the hits. Take a good look at Steven's movies over his whole career, and notice that the majority have been hits. Now that is very difficult to achieve, only a great actor can do this. Some actors have one or two hit movies, and are never heard of again, which isn't the case with Steven. When Steven has a poor movie I always say to myself, the great man will have another hit sooner or later. I am very proud of Steven's career as all his fans would be. So all the critics can go to hell, what do they know anyway.
Regards
Nash.
Hi All
I have been trying to work out critics for a long while and have come to some conclusions. I have noticed critics wearing pitiful looking clothing, yet they end up judging a singer for example as having disgusting clothes on. That's how laughable and insane critics are. So, obviously the critics have to bad mouth others to make themselves feel better as they have no taste in clothing or talent themselves. How many of the judges do you see on the Idol shows that are former singers whose careers have gone down the drain, yet find themselves as Idol judges who have the power to bad mouth contestants, and then forget their own lost careers, and feel better about themselves. The critics of Steven Seagal are like this, they are jealous of his martial arts and movie accomplishments and that they have none themselves, so they try to bring the star like Steven back to their pitiful low level by bad mouthing him and trying to make him feel bad about himself. The critics can't face themselves in the mirror as they would then have to face reality that they are the losers. Steven is too strong to worry himself with idiot critics. I agree with another board member that, as Steven himself also said on Leno, every movie can't be a hit, some will not go well and others will be big hits, and you just have to enjoy the hits. Take a good look at Steven's movies over his whole career, and notice that the majority have been hits. Now that is very difficult to achieve, only a great actor can do this. Some actors have one or two hit movies, and are never heard of again, which isn't the case with Steven. When Steven has a poor movie I always say to myself, the great man will have another hit sooner or later. I am very proud of Steven's career as all his fans would be. So all the critics can go to hell, what do they know anyway.
Regards
Nash.
RichieMadano
Out For Justice Fan
I think you have hit the nail on the head here TDWoj, in your use of the word LEGITIMATE. Unfortunately, the number of legitimate film critics under your definition, especially in the main stream media is very few. In the UK the best known critic is Barry Norman (who has fortunately just retired). His reviews were some of the most prejudicial I have ever seen. If he bothered to review an action film (or a horror film for that matter) he almost always gave it a bad review because he didn't like them. If the film was a Western on the other hand, he would give it a great review, because he loved cowboys and indians. Similarly the critic Alexander Walker seemed to love slow moving character driven work, and hated anything with any action in.TDWoj said:
If such high-profile people as these are the main critics that most people come in contact with, no wonder we are all complaining that Seagal films never get good reviews.
Personally, I rarely read reviews except in places like IMDB, where people who are simply cinema goers with no axe to grind can state their opinions. I might not agree with them, but at least they are honest.
ORANGATUANG
Wildfire
Another reason that Steven is treated so bad by the critics is that he is so dam good and that just pisses the critics off.
Another thing to be remembered is that ppl like Arnie are stars and not actors. Stars are just ppl that got recognised for something, went into acting and got a star approval. To be a star you got to be recognised for something and not just be a good actor, look at arnie. Not exactly a good actor is he. So just because he's an ex mr universe he's a star, so he's more popular, whereas Steve is an actor, therefore he must have more talent. An actor had skill, a star has popularity.
Lotussan
I Belong To Steven
Steve is a STAR, a superstar, even a mega star and has been referred to as such...
I am certain that everyone (outside of the very young, perhaps) knows his name...
I am sure anyone in the media or in hollywood that has not interviewed or met him, yet, would really like to...
He's the best martial artist that has ever been in the movies, and the baddest (that is:the most awesome) most accomplished, most impressive, and often the most brutal, most natural fighter to ever grace the silver screen...And he has the spiritual pull, that makes his performance very different from most MA's, he is not just going through the motions, he is putting what he knows into practice...He's the best, and he's no average joe, and there is no-one who can ever duplicate this man, it's just not possible...That's my opinion, like it or not...
I am certain that everyone (outside of the very young, perhaps) knows his name...
I am sure anyone in the media or in hollywood that has not interviewed or met him, yet, would really like to...
He's the best martial artist that has ever been in the movies, and the baddest (that is:the most awesome) most accomplished, most impressive, and often the most brutal, most natural fighter to ever grace the silver screen...And he has the spiritual pull, that makes his performance very different from most MA's, he is not just going through the motions, he is putting what he knows into practice...He's the best, and he's no average joe, and there is no-one who can ever duplicate this man, it's just not possible...That's my opinion, like it or not...
tora
Funmaker
Lotussan said:
Well,you wouldn't believe it,a few years back then I made a Birthday card for my brothet with Steven's picture on it as he used to be a bigger fan of him those days and asked our American friend(who came from California) to sign it and when she saw the picture of Steven with his little Arissa she asked if it was our father...And after all she was coming from California!!!
So no,Lotus,no matter how mucb you want the whole world to bow before Steven Seagal there are still lots of places where people have never heard of them (I'm not even talking about some Pintajaro tribe
)-even in Californiatora said:Well,you wouldn't believe it,a few years back then I made a Birthday card for my brothet with Steven's picture on it as he used to be a bigger fan of him those days and asked our American friend(who came from California) to sign it and when she saw the picture of Steven with his little Arissa she asked if it was our father...And after all she was coming from California!!!
So no,Lotus,no matter how mucb you want the whole world to bow before Steven Seagal there are still lots of places where people have never heard of them (I'm not even talking about some Pintajaro tribe
Funny, Tora!
I don't know about other places, but here in the U.S. in the last few years there are four different stations (all on everyone's basic cable) that play his movies every week--not counting the premium pay channels, like HBO, etc. And for some reason I still don't understand, but am not complaining
, since October or so of 2003, they have been playing several times a week, back-to-back movies on the same night often times. I think nowadays it would be a little more rare, at least in the U.S., not to have at least heard of him. And don't believe all those people who tell you they read and never watch TV! HAH!
tora
Funmaker
And one more thing.Just because you're not interested in any other actor(or simply not in love with him ) it doesn't give you the right to say they suck because it's up to people's taste to like some kind of food and dislike the other,and as well as this there are always people who don't like your kind of food and prefer the one you deny.The same about actors and I'd say anything else in the world that can be detested or appreciated.And maybe Tom Cruise is boring to you(as if your criteria was just defined by being with love with that person or not ) and you may be indifferent to him as a man but that doesn't reduce his acting abilities,and if you don't notice that(just because you're not in love with him-and ah...you know love is blind and forgiving all the flaws) it still doesn't stop him from working and being a good actor.And it's not referring to Tom Cruise only but to all other actors who happen to suck in your opinion .
However,who said Seagal can't act?Act,act,act-all action,no talk...
) it doesn't give you the right to say they suck because it's up to people's taste to like some kind of food and dislike the other,and as well as this there are always people who don't like your kind of food and prefer the one you deny.The same about actors and I'd say anything else in the world that can be detested or appreciated.And maybe Tom Cruise is boring to you(as if your criteria was just defined by being with love with that person or not ) and you may be indifferent to him as a man but that doesn't reduce his acting abilities,and if you don't notice that(just because you're not in love with him-and ah...you know love is blind and forgiving all the flaws) it still doesn't stop him from working and being a good actor.And it's not referring to Tom Cruise only but to all other actors who happen to suck in your opinion .However,who said Seagal can't act?Act,act,act-all action,no talk...
yudansha
TheGreatOne
talent is shown by passion not necessarily by the skills that one obtains
F.Y.I. Schwarzenegger's dream was always to become a world-class bodybuilder AND an action-superstar. Upon achieving his first goal (literally having run-ins with the army who stood in his way of competing), Schwarzenegger was fortunate enough to get recognized by Hollywood. That is when Arnold took into acting (lessons and all that stuff to prepare and help him succeed). Arnold Schwarzenegger is a very motivated and a persistent individual (just like Seagal, who was also an Aikidoka first, and an action movie star second ... maybe now he's more into Budhism though).
As far as having the greatest screen appearence, I agree that Seagal does possess that about him (and you don't want to mess with that). However, watch some of Chuck Norris' classics, and you will see some resemblence (except that Norris was more into world peace, and fought wars in his movies, and now he fights drugs out of America which makes him a very respectful figure inside and outside of the martial artists' world).
F.Y.I. Schwarzenegger's dream was always to become a world-class bodybuilder AND an action-superstar. Upon achieving his first goal (literally having run-ins with the army who stood in his way of competing), Schwarzenegger was fortunate enough to get recognized by Hollywood. That is when Arnold took into acting (lessons and all that stuff to prepare and help him succeed). Arnold Schwarzenegger is a very motivated and a persistent individual (just like Seagal, who was also an Aikidoka first, and an action movie star second ... maybe now he's more into Budhism though).
As far as having the greatest screen appearence, I agree that Seagal does possess that about him (and you don't want to mess with that). However, watch some of Chuck Norris' classics, and you will see some resemblence (except that Norris was more into world peace, and fought wars in his movies, and now he fights drugs out of America which makes him a very respectful figure inside and outside of the martial artists' world).