Movies Belly Of The Beast

suziwong · Dec 26, 2003

bigdw132002 said:
I saw the movie tonight it was about 10 times better than out for a kill

steven rocked!!!!!!!!

oh !! Thank you very much for this wonderful information !! Wowwwww !!,

in onenesss

Thai IP Guy · Dec 29, 2003

TDWoj said:
Welcome to the site, Ed.

I am curious about something and since you were "on the spot", as it were, perhaps you can satisfy that curiosity; what, then, did Steven do to piss off the Thai press so badly that they could find nothing pleasant to say about him? We had some articles posted here when BOTB was finished filming, and one got the impression the Thai people (as respresented by the press) couldn't wait to see the back of him, indeed, that they would much prefer if, once he left, he didn't come back.

-TD, who is much like the Elephant's Child and always wanting to know why

Hi:

That's a very good question. The reason for some of the negative press is in my opinion related to the fact that really only one person from one newspaper covers the "enterntainment industry." The Nation newspaper is Thailand's most popular English language newspaper and the man who covers the film industry is named Ken Ywin and he has been trying to hype a nascent Thai based film production industry here. In that context, he has linked up with another man named Ric Lawes, an Australian, who has published a directory identifying Thai based film production, animation and support services companies. The two seem to be quite close and clearly have some financial interest in hyping local companies, so that they might personally be enriched when and if foreign film projects hire ocal talent. During Belly of the Beast filming, Mr. Seagal was solicited by Ric Lawes to use local film prodcution crews, talent, and resources. Mr. Seagal tried to use local talent when he could but sometimes was blocked by contractual commitments to other companies, as you might imagine. Mr. Lawes then started a rumor that Seagal was "difficult", wouldn't support the local industry, wouldn't pay bills on time, etc. etc., all of which in my opinion is bull. Mr. Lawes then was able to use his influence on Mr. Ywin to get the paper to publish negative press on Seagal. All because Lawes/Ywin didn't profit from Seagal's project here. In my opinion, this is a result of an undisclosed conflict of interest, and you can see now that Thailand has taken a hit in the international filming industry because of Mr. Seagal's experience here. It appears that Oliver Stone's epic on Alexander the Great will not be filmed here because of the type of problem experienced by Seagal, which is really a shame for the local industry.

If you asked the averaqe Thai on the street about Seagal, they would generally be much more positive in giving an opinion, because while Steven was here, when he was publicly visible, it was always in the context of being supportive and respetful to Thai culture. He is thought of as "Jai Dee Mag" meaning roughly a good hearted man.

Hope this helps,

Ed

Lotussan · Dec 29, 2003

I am sure he is a good hearted man, and he just wears himself thin trying to do for others...
It's a real shame that what he does is so under acknowledged, poor Steven,
I know he is trying to do whatever he can for people, and I admire that, but there has to come a time when he says he just can't please everyone, and that's ok...
Like that Macy Gray song says, 'you and I got to do for you and I...'
And I want to do everthing I can to support Steven, just because...
I adore what he has done for others...
I'm glad I am not the only one who thinks he's got a good heart...
Thanks for sharing that with us, IP...

TDWoj · Dec 29, 2003

Thank you, Ed, for the detailed answer.

It's clear that the two individuals you mentioned seem to be in fact harming Thailand's film industry rather than helping it. What they did certainly seems contrary to their own interests, as well. Not very far-seeing, were they!

And, of course, Steven's reputation, as bad as it is when his behaviour is the cause of his own bad press, doesn't need to be worsened or added to by the malicious intent of a couple of self-seeking opportunists.

If he left a good impression with the Thai people themselves, then that's the main thing.

Mama San · Dec 29, 2003

Well said, TD.
I can only disagree with one comment.
".......Steven's reputation, as bad as it is when his behaviour is the cause of his own bad press, ....."
Steven bad rep concerning his "behavior" isn't cause primarily by things he does. It started back years ago when he had the audacity to make his own first film without
the "stuggle" that 99 9/10% of other actors do. That's something that just isn't done
in Hollywood. Someone at Warner Brothers was smart enough to see his potential. You can bet that the press was "feed" all the crap that could be thought up
by those high and mighty muckity mucks that believe they are little tin gods.
It still goes on today. No matter what he says, no matter what good he does, it's the
same as then. They say he has a bad temper. Well, I wouldn't give you 3 cents
for a man that doesn't. But he has never "walked out" of an interview. And even if he were to, what difference would it make? It's his interview. He doesn't start "fights" with
people. If he waves off a "reporter" due to time constraints then "it's bad behavior"!
Once a "reporter" asked him about the legal matter concerning that scuzz-ball Nasso.
All the man said was that he couldn't discuss the matter and he couldn't, of course.
But that didn't stop that "reporter" from claiming that Steven was rude.
Horsefeathers!!!!!! The press will take 1% truth and add their own 99% of whatever
they can think up. This sort of thing doesn't just happen to Steven, it happens to
many others as well.
In my opinion, he has taken enough from those so-called higher-ups
and the so-called "press". I'm sorry to say, press wise, that it is not going to stop. It
started back years ago when the "press", and a few of those behind the press,got their knarly teeth into the life of this man.
The "press" hasn't made this man a millionaire, many times over........we have.
Why? Because we don't believe one word that the "press" has to say.
As far as I'm concerned, I hope he continues to be his own man and tells the "press"
exactly where they can go. Although, he won't tell them anything and that's as it should be.
Sorry if I've rattled on. But it truly irkes me when they talk about his so-called "bad behavior" when there is absolutely no foundation for it.
Please believe me, I'm not jumping on to you, I just wanted to clarify that statement.
OK?
God bless,
Mama san

TDWoj · Dec 29, 2003

No problem, Casey, hon. I was just recollecting what my contacts have told me about his behaviour while he was here doing Exit Wounds, and they were neither press nor anyone with axes to grind - they were just innocent bystanders telling me what they observed. They didn't even know that he was "anybody", so they definitely didn't have any recollection of any previous bad press.

One does have to admit, though, that because he's taken the stance that press are the enemy and therefore doesn't do anything to cultivate them, he is, in fact, the cause of a lot of his own bad press, however unintentionally that has come about. The fact is, he can do something it (well, to a certain degree); the fact is, he doesn't want to. That's all I'm saying.

In this instance, though, I doubt there was anything he could have done that would have saved himself from the wrath of these two wannabees, and that ended up burying him in more of the kind of publicity he does not need; nor was it beneficial to the Thai film industry, either.

Disciple · Dec 29, 2003

man, when will people learn that they shouldn't automatically believe everything they read on an internet message board?

Ok, how's this...

I met Sensei yesterday. He was a great man, very friendly to the reporters who were standing around, and he gave lots and lots of money to a homeless guy we met. Do you believe me?

Lotussan · Dec 29, 2003

Mama san said:
They say he has a bad temper. Well, I wouldn't give you 3 cents
for a man that doesn't.
Mama san

I agree Mama-San...Steven has a lot passion inside him, it's powerful and it's soooo exciting, and I wouldn't change a thing about him...Least of all that! hehehehe! Maybe he's driven and impatient at times in the eyes of some, and yes maybe he even puts off the press, but what have they done for him, lately? I think he's totally awesome, and admire his tough attitude, it just makes me respect him all the more, he's got some fire within him, some real guts, now what woman doesn't appreciate that in a man? To me, he's a real man, and he's one of a kind...

You go Steven, baby! You know exactly what you want, and you've got the guts to go out and get it! I admire that! And most of all I adore you just like you are sensei, you are simply fabulous, and I wouldn't change a thing about you! You are awesome, Steven! I love you darling! You are everything to me!

TDWoj · Dec 29, 2003

Disciple said:
man, when will people learn that they shouldn't automatically believe everything they read on an internet message board?

Disciple, you're absolutely right. There's no way I can prove my cousin worked on Exit Wounds, and that I have other contacts in the film industry here in Toronto as well, and that there have been other people I've since met that were directly and indirectly involved with the filming, and that when they told me that they weren't impressed with his behaviour they were making it up because they must have read it on the internet, not because they were actually there on the set.

It's true; my information is indeed secondhand, so it must be wrong. I thank you for putting me straight.

-TD, crankier than usual because of a blinding headache

Serena · Dec 29, 2003

TDWoj said:
Disciple, you're absolutely right. There's no way I can prove my cousin worked on Exit Wounds, and that I have other contacts in the film industry here in Toronto as well, and that there have been other people I've since met that were directly and indirectly involved with the filming, and that when they told me that they weren't impressed with his behaviour they were making it up because they must have read it on the internet, not because they were actually there on the set.

It's true; my information is indeed secondhand, so it must be wrong. I thank you for putting me straight.

-TD, crankier than usual because of a blinding headache

Sorry about your headache, TD. I'm wondering if Disciple was referring to the post by Thai IP Guy instead?

suziwong · Dec 29, 2003

Disciple said:
man, when will people learn that they shouldn't automatically believe everything they read on an internet message board?

Ok, how's this...

I met Sensei yesterday. He was a great man, very friendly to the reporters who were standing around, and he gave lots and lots of money to a homeless guy we met. Do you believe me?

I BELIEVE YOU DISCIPLE 100% !!! I believe that Steven is very helpfull !!
[ How was he Disciple ???

, he is AWESOME isn't it ??? I love this big and beautiful guy !!]
Well said Casey I am totally with you !!

I love Steven !! FOREVER !!!

Truly

Disciple · Dec 29, 2003

Acutally I'm talking about anyone who posts a story about meeting a famous person, or anyone who posts about "knowing someone who once worked with the second cousin twice removed of someone who once got thrown across the room by Sensei in a Singapore Aikido class".

Not accusing anyone of anything. All I'm saying is, some people need to develop a BS radar. I myself do tend to believe the more "favorable" stories about Sensei such as the ones about him giving to charity etc, and that's because I have both common sense and a knowledge that such a caliber of martial artist does not go around behaving disgracefully (the true martial artist does his best to create and not destroy). I also have a very low opinion of people who like to pass around baseless gossip, especially when it's targetted at such an honorable man, and so I tend to take what such people say with a healthy pinch of salt.

Disciple · Dec 29, 2003

I love you, Suzi!

suziwong · Dec 29, 2003

Disciple said:
I love you, Suzi!

Thank you !! I love you too !!

Truly

seagalrocks · Dec 30, 2003

May said:
I am May from Bangkok. The story I told Mr. Craig is true. My ex-boyfreind website is edited at request. You can see for yourself that this law firm worked for Mr. Seagal in Thailand. I don't think Mr Seagal did anything wrong, they just talk about a plan. From what I see of Mr Seagal he respect Thai culture and law, I don't mean to you to think anything wrong of him. And my boyfriend told me he has a lot of respect for Mr. Seagal too especially as an athlete not just an actor. I am jst impressive with Mr Seagal not mean to hurt his reputation, this is why I wrote to Mr. Craig.

yes, you are very lucky to have met this great man.

Lotussan · Dec 30, 2003

awwww, suzi...I bet that most of the time, Steven is actually is very sweet and generous like that, but I think Disciple was just making a point, he was probably just kidding around about meeting Steven, unfortunately...
I am sure sensei loves to help people who are sick, or anyone that needs help...
I bet he's a solid friend to lean on, and I bet he is very soothing in times of trouble...
Maybe he's not always so serious, and maybe sometimes he loses his cool, but we all do...
This generosity and compassion, are things that I admire about him soooooooo much...
I think he really tries hard to be gracious with the press, but even he can only take so much when they get rude in his face...
I am sure he never starts out in that manner...
If there is anyone here who has met Steven recently, please do share, we would like to know all about it...

KATHYPURDOM · Dec 30, 2003

Great info

Hello Craig,
The information on Belly of the Beast is great. I can't wait until tomorrow when it comes out. My boys and I are going to rent it. I have asked in stores but no one seems to know if it will be there, so I guess I will have to rent it first. When the movie comes out in these stores I plan on buying it.
I do have one question,
on all of Steven Seagal's movies that are out on DVD there are no special features. Why is that?
Kathy

Tiggy · Dec 30, 2003

I work in television, and prior to that toured the world with two very famous singers -(not at the same time)! I also did a tour of Japan some years ago with Eric Clapton and Elton John, and believe me the stories I have heard about these people - especially people claiming to be there, to know them etc are quite amazing. Sometimes they are so plausible I have even begun to doubt the facts. I have often had to really pinch myself and say, No, that's not true, I was there, and I know exactly what went on. Of course Steven is not perfect - look at his love life for a start - is he still with Arissa, whats the betting if he is, it won't be for ever? He has thrown his weight around, has been insulting to woman, has in fact, at times been a total prat. Seen it so many times. Fame came quite suddenly to him and there is always a period of some years when it goes to the head, (not helped by the ever present hangers on) it takes time and mistakes often hard slaps and bad publiclty to 'grow' through this phase. I am sure he has his off side, but I suspect confidence in himself and maturity have brought him through and that he is now able to use his good side and strong beliefs to influence others. I too would take reports of him in Thailand with a pinch of salt.

Lotussan · Dec 30, 2003

So he's not perfect, who is? I think he has a right to feel some importance, and some confidence...
He has some pride, and some dignity, and I think that's wonderful...
Some people call it arrogance, but not me...
Fact is everything we know about Steven is just hearsay, so we have to use our own judgements to determine what kind of man we think he really is...
I think an important factor should be the things that he does, most importantly the good, and generous things...
Also important are the opinions of his students, all of which have great respect and admiration for him...
Also, we must remember that he is a martial artist, obviously a peace loving man, and a devout Buddhist...
I think these things are all positive things to consider...
He is also a very intelligent man, and a man who maintains his dignity in the public eye, and even though people say terrible things, what things does he outwardly show?
I think that is very important to consider...
Let's face it, as far as relationships are concerned, there are always two parties involved, so the blame cannot all be put on Steven...
The famous life he leads unfortunately is one that must be semi-led under a microscope...
I figure that alone can put a tremendous amount of strain and stress on a relationship...
There are many other things involved in a marriage or a co-habitation, as well...
We don't know anything about what these women are like behind closed doors either...
Fact is, we don't know, anything...
We can only decide based on what we have seen and heard...
We can say how we feel about this man, and as individuals our feelings vary...
I think it's best to keep all this in mind, and if anyone is lucky enough to meet him then they'll know for sure...
But even then, it takes an awfully long time to get to know someone very well...I don't believe or disbelieve everything that I hear...
I guess we all have to just form our own opinions, but obviously we all have pretty favorable ones, or we wouldn't be here supporting this man, now would we?
I think his true nature shines through...
He's admirable, he's determined, he's intelligent, and he's talented...
He's just human, but he's certainly one of a kind...

Littledragon · Dec 30, 2003

well i know they will have it at BEST BUY and i will BUY my DVD 2mrw
I CANT WAIT !

Serena · Dec 30, 2003

Lotussan said:
So he's not perfect, who is? I think he has a right to feel some importance, and some confidence...
He has some pride, and some dignity, and I think that's wonderful...
Some people call it arrogance, but not me...
Fact is everything we know about Steven is just hearsay, so we have to use our own judgements to determine what kind of man we think he really is...
I think an important factor should be the things that he does, most importantly the good, and generous things...
Also important are the opinions of his students, all of which have great respect and admiration for him...
Also, we must remember that he is a martial artist, obviously a peace loving man, and a devout Buddhist...
I think these things are all positive things to consider...
He is also a very intelligent man, and a man who maintains his dignity in the public eye, and even though people say terrible things, what things does he outwardly show?
I think that is very important to consider...
Let's face it, as far as relationships are concerned, there are always two parties involved, so the blame cannot all be put on Steven...
The famous life he leads unfortunately is one that must be semi-led under a microscope...
I figure that alone can put a tremendous amount of strain and stress on a relationship...
There are many other things involved in a marriage or a co-habitation, as well...
We don't know anything about what these women are like behind closed doors either...
Fact is, we don't know, anything...
We can only decide based on what we have seen and heard...
We can say how we feel about this man, and as individuals our feelings vary...
I think it's best to keep all this in mind, and if anyone is lucky enough to meet him then they'll know for sure...
But even then, it takes an awfully long time to get to know someone very well...I don't believe or disbelieve everything that I hear...
I guess we all have to just form our own opinions, but obviously we all have pretty favorable ones, or we wouldn't be here supporting this man, now would we?
I think his true nature shines through...
He's admirable, he's determined, he's intelligent, and he's talented...
He's just human, but he's certainly one of a kind...

VERY well said, Lotus!! You've made some very good points that I totally agree with.

Lotussan · Dec 30, 2003

Well, Serena, thanks...

I know Steven has a wild streak in him, but you know what they say, the good girls like the bad boys, hehehe...

Well at least the passionate boys...
I think he's excting just the way he is, oh baby...

I got the notice that they shipped my BOTB, DVD...
But it is going to take 5-7 days to arrive, so it's off to the video store tomorrow...Wish me luck! Otherwise I will be a very unhappy girl...
LittleDragon good to see you back, again...

suziwong · Dec 30, 2003

Lotussan said:
awwww, suzi...I bet that most of the time, Steven is actually is very sweet and generous like that, but I think Disciple was just making a point, he was probably just kidding around about meeting Steven, unfortunately...

hihihihi

I guess I misunderstood again. !! it doesn't matter but I love discipline he is very gentle!!

in onenenssss

suziwong · Dec 30, 2003

Lotussan said:
So he's not perfect, who is? I think he has a right to feel some importance, and some confidence...
He has some pride, and some dignity, and I think that's wonderful...
Some people call it arrogance, but not me...
Fact is everything we know about Steven is just hearsay, so we have to use our own judgements to determine what kind of man we think he really is...
I think an important factor should be the things that he does, most importantly the good, and generous things...
Also important are the opinions of his students, all of which have great respect and admiration for him...
Also, we must remember that he is a martial artist, obviously a peace loving man, and a devout Buddhist...
I think these things are all positive things to consider...
He is also a very intelligent man, and a man who maintains his dignity in the public eye, and even though people say terrible things, what things does he outwardly show?
I think that is very important to consider...
Let's face it, as far as relationships are concerned, there are always two parties involved, so the blame cannot all be put on Steven...
The famous life he leads unfortunately is one that must be semi-led under a microscope...
I figure that alone can put a tremendous amount of strain and stress on a relationship...
There are many other things involved in a marriage or a co-habitation, as well...
We don't know anything about what these women are like behind closed doors either...
Fact is, we don't know, anything...
We can only decide based on what we have seen and heard...
We can say how we feel about this man, and as individuals our feelings vary...
I think it's best to keep all this in mind, and if anyone is lucky enough to meet him then they'll know for sure...
But even then, it takes an awfully long time to get to know someone very well...I don't believe or disbelieve everything that I hear...
I guess we all have to just form our own opinions, but obviously we all have pretty favorable ones, or we wouldn't be here supporting this man, now would we?
I think his true nature shines through...
He's admirable, he's determined, he's intelligent, and he's talented...
He's just human, but he's certainly one of a kind...

well said Lotus !! I love this big guy !!!!!!!

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