Belly Of The Beast

Amos Stevens

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Release dates for
Belly of the Beast (2003)


Country Date
USA 30 December 2003 (video premiere)
UK 16 February 2004 (video premiere)
South Korea 20 February 2004
Australia 25 February 2004 (video premiere)
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Heather,

I think Arissa is about 28 or so, but not so sure, she's a mystery...
Word is younger women are no problem for Steven, but heck I hope we aren't too old, huh?
I am sure he isn't that shallow, and if he was he'd be the one missing out, huh?
Of course he has her there, so maybe that shoots down our slim chances a lot, too...
Oh well, I still can't help the wishin'...
I'll keep my dream alive...
uh-oh, darn it, you made me go off the topic again...
Well, that's ok, girl...
Share the love, because I know you've got a big heart...
You hang in there too, ok?
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
Well, I couldn't stand waiting for my dvd of BOTB to turn up in the mail, so I scurried down to Blockbuster tonight to see if it was in at last.

It was in at last.

After plunking down my $5.75 (which I thought was kind of steep, but I'm told that the rentals are trying to keep pace with the ridiculously high ticket prices at movie theatres), I scurried back so that I could watch it tonight.

I just finished watching it. I absolutely....

Here's the thing. I've been meaning to write an essay on this topic and I will, in more detail later, but one of the things I have always enjoyed about Steven Seagal action movies is that they are not just action movies. His movies, at least, his best ones, are also morality plays, and it is this that boosts his movies up a few notches beyond just the ordinary action picture. The plots are complicated, all the players in the drama have an intense relationship with our hero, and there is always a past history that winds and surrounds the characters that Steven plays. His characters have, in his early movies, all had some kind of defining moment that plays an important role in the events that transpire.

Not so his recent films. While there is a "background" to the character, it is written into the script for the benefit of the audience. It has no impact on the story, nor on any of the characters that Steven has played in his more recent efforts. There is no depth to the characters he plays now - they are all just cardboard cutouts.

As for where in the spectrum BOTB as a film fits for me - well, Out For A Kill was rubbish, from start to finish - bad script, worse acting and Michael Oblowitz should be drowned in a barrel of salt herring and left for the ravens to pick his bones before he's ever allowed to direct another picture.

Belly of the Beast, on the other hand...

...was boring.

Yes. I said boring.

The writing was better than Out For A Kill - it couldn't possibly be worse - but the story was so thin, you could use it in your window instead of glass, and still be able to see Raymond Burr kill his wife in the apartment building next door.

Having such a thin story to work with, the director had no choice but to fill up the empty spaces with a lot of action, all of which would have benefited by being cut down by at least half. The gunfights were just plain silly, the hand-to-hand fighting... but more on that later. However, if the action scenes were cut down, then the director would have had to fill up the rest of the movie with actual plot and story, and there simply wasn't enough of that in the script, hence the long-drawn out and slow motion action scenes.

The other reason I like, or rather, used to like, watching Steven Seagal movies, is, well, watching Steven Seagal! He is pure poetry in motion when he fights, and when he speaks, I listen. I don't know why in the last few films he never says more than half a dozen words at a time (is it possible he can no longer remember long speeches? that's an awful thought), but the one thing I've noticed regardless of how short his speeches are is that he no longer says anything that makes me want to listen. Not only is his dialogue banal, but in this film, in particular, fully half of his lines are dubbed by at least 2 other people. Yes, that's what I said: half of his lines. (Curse this sharp hearing of mine.)

The fight scenes... Well, when I see a Steven Seagal movie, I expect to see Steven Seagal fighting. They can use all the stunt men they want for falling down stairs and out of windows and crashing cars, but if I'm spending money on a Steven Seagal action movie, then I expect to see Steven Seagal do his own fighting. The fight in the marketplace was one-third Steven, 2 thirds stunt man. Ditto the final fight scene (that bit with the bullet and the arrow was dumb beyond any suspension of disbelief that I usually engage when watching movies). The other fight scenes were about 50-50 Steven and stunt man.

The director, like Oblowitz, also considers that action films should be art films as well, hence all of the fancy effects and slow motion shots. There were WAY too many slow motion shots in this movie, again, there for the sole purpose of filling up the running time of the movie instead of spending the time telling the story.

As for the whole voodoo let's borrow some Santaria magic witch-doctor bit - what the heck was that all about? It had nothing whatever to do with the plot, nor did it have any direct bearing on the character of Jake Hopper or what he was there to do, nor did it have any bearing on the general's actions, either, as the voodoo magic had on what's his name in MFD. It was completely superfluous to the story, and if it had been removed altogether, would not have changed the story one jot.

I suppose I should lower my expectations when it comes to new Steven Seagal films, use the excuse that he's aging and can't do things the way he used to, but I think that would be insulting to him. I know he has it in him to do better, because I've seen him do it. Setting aside how much actual fighting he does in these recent films (or not, or none at all) what has always been his trademark is how much of himself, as he is and as he sees himself, we see in his films. You could take Steven out of Belly of the Beast and replace him with any aging martial arts actor in his peer group, and never miss him. Steven Seagal was in this movie; but this was not a Steven Seagal movie.

The best I can say about this movie is at least Steven wasn't sleepwalking through this as he had through Out For A Kill, so it's an improvement in that department. The cinematography was good, and the dialogue, although banal, at least did not make me cringe as OFAK's dialogue had. But like many of his recent efforts, Belly of the Beast lacked a heart and a soul, because all there was to it was one action scene after another. Steven was not speaking to us through this movie. He was just in the movie because the story called for someone to rescue the girls, and it might just as well be him as anyone else.

-TD, standing her ground and waiting for the fall-out
 

Disciple

come get some
an honest and fair review, TD. I would agree with a lot of it, especially the point that any of the current straight to video action stars could have taken his place and we wouldn't have had a hugely different end result. It just doesn't have that unique stamp of the vintage Seagal movies, and as such is only marginally better than the Oblovitz stuff.

My own biggest complaint was the use of fighting styles that just don't suit him (Tai Chi and wire-fu, instead of his traditional Japanese brutal combat and manhandling style), combined with a new-wave style filming technique (quick cuts, slow motion, quirky angles) that are just as inappropriate.

So I did not like this film much, except for the scenes at the Buddhist temple, which were the only parts where he seemed to come alive and take an interest in what's going on- he really does have an interest in that whole way of life.
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
Thanks, Disciple!

Re the fighting: If that was Steven actually doing the kung-fu and wire fu - which he wasn't, except for some wavy hand movements, it was all stunt doubles, which is why I didn't specifically mention that as an issue.

The entire scene where he's in the courtyard of the temple talking to his friend is dubbed, by the way. And by an actor who was fighting his own accent to make it sound American! He wasn't even close to lip-synch with Steven. Very disconcerting to watch.
 

Disciple

come get some
If you slow down some of the fight scenes, especially the fish market fight, you can see that they've actually BLURRED his face in some parts (it's a very subtle effect, you have to have it on freeze frame to really notice) when he's doing all the fancy kicks etc, so that the viewer can't tell it's a double.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
I liked the Kung Fu!
Sorry but I am not commenting on this critical critique yet as my mouth is still hanging wide open!
I am, as usual, aghast at the way you people continuously drag him down, and down and down!
 

Disciple

come get some
relax, nobody's dragging him down. The fact is there is significant use of doubles, and this has been the case for the last few straight to video films that he has done. Like I said, pause it in the right spot and see for yourself.

yes, only some of it was stunt doubles. The use of doubles isn't a bad thing necessarily. But it doesn't work well when the doubling is obvious. it takes the viewer out of the movie because they realize that that's not their favorite actor up there. That's why onscreen fighters like Jackie Chan (who minimize the use of doubles) are so popular.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
It definately wasn't obvious at all in this one, but I tend to know him when I see him,
for me, there is no mistaking that big gorgeous hunk o' man for anyone else, or mistaking another guy for him...
Of course we all know some of it wasn't him, but 50% a double? I didn't see that at all...
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
You're welcome, Suzi! I knew I was going to come in for some fire, but I have to be honest according to what I see.

Folks, I did not comment on Steven's weight, his laboured breathing, his hair or his generally unhealthy look throughout, nor what was going through my mind during the sex scene with Miss China Girl (that's one can of worms I am not going to open here, having learned my lesson and will henceforth keep such thoughts to myself to avoid any more flame wars).

I didn't comment on any of those things because none of it had any bearing on the movie. I looked at this movie for what any good reviewer worth his or her salt would look at - story, storytelling style, how the action relates to the story, and so forth. The fact is, I watch Steven Seagal movies for a number of reasons. Yes, I'm a girl, so I like just looking at him as much as any other girl here, and I like his voice too, so I listen carefully. Because I'm a writer myself, I also take particular interest in the story, what's in the story, how it's told, etc. And, of course, I like watching him fight most of all, so I look at the fights.

After I finish watching a movie, there comes the final test of my individual movie enjoyment. I have seen some truly awful movies for which I have been pretty darned forgiving, because those movies did something for me on one particular level that earned that forgiveness, and that is: after seeing those movies, I was inspired to write.

BOTB failed that ultimate test. And that's what I was most disappointed about, because of Steven's films that I've seen up to The Foreigner, all of them generated ideas for stories (I'm not talking about fan fiction, I'm talking about stories that I write in my own field, from a sentence, or a situation, or something about the character that Steven was playing in the film that sparked my imagination), all of them except Out for a Kill and Belly of the Beast. I was not inspired, because in seeing his performances in those two films in particular, it was easy to see that he was not inspired.

As for the other things - well, he was definitely not doing his own fighting except for the one scene in the police station. The stunt doubles were very cleverly camoflauged, but not cleverly enough. I knew I was not watching Steven fighting in most of the fight scenes and so I lost interest in them. Steven's voice was dubbed so often the dialogue wasn't worth listening to, because it's HIS voice I want to hear, not some other actor's attempt to sound like him (which failed utterly in all cases). Most of the dialogue wasn't worth listening to anyway, because, while not as cliche-ridden as OFAK, it was banal and lacked purpose.

That being said, the director did manage to make a decent enough action pic from a very thin script. However, because it was basically a cookie-cutter type action pic, anybody could have played the role of Jake Hopper. Steven Seagal just happened to be the guy tapped to play the role.

Close-up shots of his face or seeing him walk into rooms and then sit and say pretty much nothing, while titillating my female sensibilities, does not a movie make - in my opinion, of course. To me, it's obvious when he's involved and engaged in a film - there's a kind of fire and intensity to him that makes him such a pleasure to watch. Neither OFAK nor BOTB had that fire, that engagement with the story. He - Steven - was not in the movie (except for the Buddhist bits - however - again, all of that was totally irrelevant to the story. You could have taken all of that out and not changed the story at all). Steven was just there to fill the role. And that's why I think this film is not worthy of him.

Yes, I know - none of his films could be classified as great art, but then, they're not meant to be. But at least in his earlier films, he was involved in what he was doing, whether it was contributing to writing the story, or contributing to the score, or choreographing his fight scenes or all of the above. Just showing up and saying the lines and going home at the end of the day's shooting is a waste of his talents and abilities. If wanting him to use those talents -

No, wait.

Wanting him to give us his best and not being happy when he doesn't seems to be a violation of some unspoken rule of what constitutes a true fan. Giving up a week's worth of lunch money to rent a film I've already bought and paid for isn't enough, I guess. Buying every stv movie of his regardless of its quality isn't enough support, I suppose. Hoping that by supporting him financially (especially when I don't have a job myself) he'll continue to make movies and I can continue to live in hope that we will see him in a theatrical release that will get Roger Ebert all excited about him again (Ebert's a big - ahem - fan of his, or he was, until HPD came out) I guess doesn't make me a fan at all.

I reviewed Belly of the Beast as a movie. I was very careful about not slagging Steven on a personal level as I've seen other reviewers do, like the one in rottentomatoes, simply because stuff like that is completely irrelevant to reviewing a film. As a reviewer, though, I do have to assess all elements of the film. How does that constitute dragging him down? It doesn't, of course. An honest assessment of a film's content serves to advise those making the film that there are things which could do with some improvement, as well as provide feedback from the people - like me - who are paying to buy and rent the films. And, incidentally, paying their salaries.

I get a lot of pleasure watching Steven Seagal movies. BOTB, however, was not a Steven Seagal movie; it was only a movie with Steven Seagal in it. Not up to his usual standard, and therefore, disappointing. Not a complete failure, as OFAK was. But not a complete success, either. And if I hold him to a higher standard, then that's MY way of being a fan. I'll wait until he tells me personally that this is unsatisfactory. Until then....

-TD, standing firm and practising tough love
 

tora

Funmaker
Well,now it would be just fine to see Steven here reading these posts.It could bring him somewhere he hasn't been yet.Maybe he doesn't care about that trash being throwed upon him by the tabloids but perhaps he might be just a little concerned about how his fans feel about what he's doing.That's important.
 

tora

Funmaker
Lotussan said:
It definately wasn't obvious at all in this one, but I tend to know him when I see him,
for me, there is no mistaking that big gorgeous hunk o' man for anyone else, or mistaking another guy for him...
Of course we all know some of it wasn't him, but 50% a double? I didn't see that at all...

No wonder you didn't see that.Your mind was concentrated on something else perhaps :D
 

Disciple

come get some
TDWoj said:
I get a lot of pleasure watching Steven Seagal movies. BOTB, however, was not a Steven Seagal movie; it was only a movie with Steven Seagal in it.

It's funny, I said this exact same thing to someone else a while back.

Like I said, I agree with TD's comments for the most part. It's a fair review that doesn't resort to cheap shots about his physical appearance, unlike just about every other review that you could find.
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
Hey, Casey - it would get pretty dull around here if everyone agreed with everyone else all the time! :D

I know that I'm in the minority here; I know many people raved about how great BOTB was, which, I think, affected my expectations, because I was encouraged by the generally positive responses to it.

I think that's why I was so disappointed that it wasn't as good as everyone said it was. And I guess that's when I realised what it was that I was looking for, what I realised was present in his earlier films and completely absent in the last few outings - and not finding it, my expectations therefore crashed and burned.

Sorry.

-TD, who prefers to be honest and get shot down than say something she doesn't believe in and get... I don't know what, since I've never done that and so don't know what I'd get!
 
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