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Compare Aikido steven Seagal techniques and daito-ryu techniques

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
#64
Little,
The dojo in Japan is located in Osaka, and is ran by Take Sensei's ex wife. There was a web site that I used to have in my favorites to that particular dojo, however I have since accidentally deleted it. If I can find it I will post it for you!!!
 
#64
Thanks!

tenshinaikidoka said:
Little,
The dojo in Japan is located in Osaka, and is ran by Take Sensei's ex wife. There was a web site that I used to have in my favorites to that particular dojo, however I have since accidentally deleted it. If I can find it I will post it for you!!!

Ok thanks for the information Tenshin!
 
#65
Dear, daito-ryu fighter
Yes, I am studying Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu Takumakai. Yes, we have been done alot of the techniques/staff, that Hikarido's master is doing. It would be nice to know about different schools of daito-ryu. And what is theirs understanding about Aiki...
 
#68
TDWoj:

“Okay, then, I've got a question. If you are working with a partner - uke - to perform aikido, what use is it as a defensive martial art? Since, I'm thinking, out on the street if a bad guy is trying to harm me, he sure as heck isn't going to be my "partner" and just let me throw him out of the way.”

“I do not think if I were a student of Aikido that I'd really enjoy being taught by Steven. He seems to like the slice-and-dice-the-student method of getting his ideas across.”

I think you answered your own question. It makes no since not to cooperate as if you try to do Aikido without cooperation you just don’t get anywhere. Because there are two scenarios:

1) You don’t know/understand Aikido and because the other won’t work with you are incapable of learning anything because you simple fail.
2) You have some understanding and you go to do a technique and your partner/opponent resists. Lets continue to assume you have some understanding. You either A) force the technique there by hurting your partner because he didn’t understand his own limits and you can no longer pactice with him or you B) ease up and fail at the execution of the technique because it wasn’t worth your partners health.

It will always boil down to some one is either better or more capable and if you want to increase the other’s abilities you have to work with them to get them there.

To that end that is why Aikido is performed as it is, and I would also I Seagal Sensei is a great teacher to learn under because he doesn’t smash those who aren’t at the level to deal with it.




To Mister daito-ryu fighter:

Now it’s your turn. :D It is obvious to me from what you named this thread, and from your statements that you are trying to get a flame war going. I find it interesting that you claim 28 years of martial art experience, and with some of the ‘best’, and yet you make the assertions you do.

Let’s clear some stuff up: Aikido<>Daito Ryu

That is, Aikido and Daito Ryu are not the same thing!

Steven Seagal calls his Aikido, Aikido, not Daito Ryu and I’m sure that’s for a good reason and that is good enough for me. And seeing as he has a 7th Dan from the 2nd Doshu, himself, obviously at least someone *we know* knows what he’s talking about agrees!

O’sensei did study Daito Ryu under Takeda, however Takeda was not his only influence, either Martially of spiritually, farther more I wouldn’t even go so far as to say he was his greatest influence.

I must say, I’m a little bit confused as to what you “think” Aiki is. From what I have read you say, it seem to me you believe Aiki is the same a Kasushi (the art of unbalancing your opponent.) Even regular run of the mill Jujitsu has Kasushi in it. However that is not what Aiki is. If you read any of O’sensei teachings he believe it is Nage’s roll to return the balance to Uke, or to complete Uke’s center, not to remove it. Doubt anyone who doesn’t have at least a legitimate Shodan is going to comprehend the thought. Though I won’t say that, in and of it’s self, is what Aiki is all about. If you would ask O’Sensei what it means to study Aiki I believe he’d tell you that the study of Aiki is the study of the way the Universe does things and that to be a Master of Aikido would mean to be the center of the Universe and to hold its workings in the palm of your hand.

Farther more your statement show a utter lack of understanding of language in general. Japanese specifically is highly context driven. Aiki like many words can mean many things depending on the context. Aiki simply means soft energy or harmonious energy or harmonious intent… however in use it is much more than that. It certainly can be used as the outline for an outlook on life if that is how one wishes to view it. It can also be an application of a technique or the principle a specific technique rest upon.

Though it is true that Daito Ryu, of all the forms of Aikijitsu, and certainly the most well known of them, has made major contributions to the concept of aiki. However it is not true to believe that the evolution of the understanding of Aiki ended with Daito Ryu.

O’Sensei had a complete transmission of the Daito Ryu system and yet still felt like there was something else for him to explore. This is quite evident just by what O’Sensei chose to name his art, “Aikido” or “the way of Aiki,” Daito Ryu doesn’t claim this. Aikido at its core is ALL about aiki. Aiki for Aikido is not just simply a principle; one of many, that one might “choose” to employ to accomplish a given technique. Aiki for Daito Ryu ‘is only part’ of the whole, where as Aiki for Aikido ‘is the whole’ and everything else in the system is used to demonstrate that. You see you don’t understand this simply because you look at Aikido as a system, and because of this you disagree with Aikido’s non-systematic approach, but that does not mean that it is not Aiki or illegitimate. Aikido’s technique is not the end all be all of Aikido, as technique is to Daito Ryu. Technique in Aikido is only an attempt to point the practitioner to the bigger picture of what Aikido is. O’Sensei said that Aikido is not only practiced in the Dojo, but is practiced from the moment the Aikidoka raises to great the sun till the moment he lays he’s head down to go to sleep. Aikido is just as much a philosophy as it is a martial art, and that does not make it a sport or ineffective as a form of self-defense, only more elusive. O’Sensei said that Aikido was a method by which to reconcile the world, I would say that is pretty effect self-defense!

You need to go watch video of O’Sensei and then, if you have a mind open to truth, you’ll understand that O’Sensei was a man who knew what true power was; a power that flowed from being at peace with everything and conflicting with nothing.

Take care and practice hard, think harder, and talk less ;)

PS – Aikilove, you seem to have a very solid understanding of what you’re talking about. I was going to say many of the things you yourself did, but you beat me to ‘em!
 
#69
To Bushido

I'm very tired to explain Aiki again and again. To understand the history of daito and so aikido please go to Japan and train not in Aikikaî fundation but in traditional school of Aiki like in Iwama, Kodokaï dojo etc......Aiki is not just what is shown by the AIkido, it is very more complex. I don't contest that Aikido is a good philosophy for life like you said, but at the origin AIki is not a phylosophy.
You wrote "You need to go watch video of O’Sensei " pfffffff i saw a lot of video of Sensei in Japan and you must watch video of Daito-ryu master, and you will understand why O'Sensei Ueshiba was invincible.

I didn't say that Aikido of Seagal Sensei is not Aikido, i have just said that in his Aikido, we can find similar techniques like strangulation, kubi nage, strong atemi, real attack etc....compared to daito-ryu, but not found in other School of Aikido like Aikikaï.


To finish read this thread that i posted previously:
But it is important to clarify some important points, that people did not understand well, or maybe it was not clear. First i would like to say that it is difficult for people outside Japan to be aware about how the evolution of Aikido was. To understand it you need to discuss with Master who are still living and could knew Takada or Ueshiba. That was one of my aim when i was in Japan, to understand the aikido history, and to be sure that what i was learning or what i read was right. So before to give a more precise definition of Aiki, let me be clear on one thing. What i will write here is what i could learn from people who were directly training with Takeda sensei, and kodo sensei. All those people knew Ueshiba sensei.
So we have a long discussion with them, and i should precise that those people are Inoue sensei (today headmaster of the Kodokai), Kato sensei, Shinpo sensei (kodokai masters), and of course Okamoto sensei (today headmaster of the Roppokai). Again all those people knew at least Ueshiba sensei, and Gozo Shioda sensei. Inoue sensei was a direct student of Takeda sensei before to join Kodo sensei in the Kodokai. Inoue sensei, and Okamoto owns a Menkyo kaiden, honoured by Kodo sensei. Kato sensei and Shinpo sensei received a Menkyo Kaiden four months ago from Inoue Sensei.
The first thing that i would like to you to understand is that Gozo Shioda was a not an Aikido master, he was not taught the aikido that you may know today. Gozo Shioda learned the Daito ryu aikijujutsu that Ueshiba sensei was taught himself by Sokaku. The Ueshiba sensei technique was different before and after the second world war. As you may know before the second world war Ueshiba was mainly teaching the Daito techniques exactly as he learned it from Takade sensei. After the war he began to teach a different technique, more personal, with religious principles and personal interpretations. Those period is known as the Iwama period, and it is represented today by the Iwama dojo. So you should really understand that Gozo Shioda learned the daito ryu techniques, and he was the only Ueshiba sensei student who was able to master the Aiki technique.
So now lest explain what is Aiki before to go ahead in explaining the difference between aikikai, and Daito ryu. One of the first thing you learn when you arrive in Japan, is that the Aiki has always been something very secret. Takeda sensei did not teach quite clearly what was Aiki, because he wanted people to understand it by themselves, and so there is not a clear definition of Aiki.

Basically Aiki techniques refer to techniques which combine kokyu (breath) principles and natural principles which exist around us. I would say that Aiki is physics, because it tries to apply natural phenomena in a fighting purpose. The aiki masters have clearly understood that our body is not a an isolated entity but it is integrated in a global environment. Using this fundamental principle Kokyo can exist and the aiki techniques can be born. Before to go ahead, lest talk about the jujutsu techniques. Basically the jujutsu techniques are the expression of the power of the human body. When a jujutsu techniques is executed, only the features of the power of the body (you muscle, you speed, you size, etc....) are involved, and used to perform a technique which in the case of the Daito Ryu, is represented by powerful atemi techniques, throwing techniques (Yama arashi is a famous one) and control techniques (very typical of the Daito). At this stage of the study of the daito, it is important to train your body, because a strong body is important in jujutsu techniques.

From this stage, the Daito Ryu student has learned all the jujutsu techniques only as a body movement, as the techniques are still rather big with a lot movements. The second stage is known has the Aikijujutsu techniques. In that stage less physical power is used in the techniques, the techniques are smaller, but they are still jujutsu in some way. Actually in this stage some fundamental principles of Aiki are applied in the beginning of the technique execution. Kuzushi (unbalance), Aiki age, Aiki sage are introduced, and they are used to unbalance the opponent in order to apply the jujutsu technique. The jujutsu technique will be a throwing technique, or a control technique, or whatever.
So at that stage, the student begins to use the kokyu as a driving force for his techniques, the power of the body is less used, and the techniques are faster, and smaller.
The last step is the Aiki stage where all the technique is aiki. What does it mean? Well all the principle of Aiki are applied (Kuzushi, kokyu, Metsuke, etc...) In practise the Aiki technique is based on the fact that kokyu energy (which comes from the Tanden) of the two bodies (or more) involved in a fight can be gathered in only one entity which can be used to unbalance the opponent. Be aware of the unbalance strategy because it is an important point of the Aiki. The human body has naturally a very good balance, and it is somehow difficult to unbalance a strong and powerful body. The unbalance technique of Aiki relies on the fact that it exist typical zones on the human body that are sensitive to the action of the kokyu. Applying aiki on those zones, make them weaker, and the unbalance of a body whatever his size and weight become possible. Aiki age and aiki sage are the two fundamental movements of the hands that allow this thing to happen.
So lets go more in details here.

Aiki techniques relies on this quite interesting and fascinating statement: The aiki techniques are the ability to unbalance an opponent in a interval of time that allows to control him and to finish the technique. Whatever the size or the power of this opponent, he will not be able to resist to this unbalance, and as he is unbalanced he can not do anything. It is an important point because during this interval of time, the aiki master can decide either of the life or the dead of the opponent. This moment is called the aiki situation.
The photo of Horikawa Kodo presented in this forum shows exactly the aiki situation


(this photo has been taken from a very rare video of Kodo sensei). This photo shows the moment when the opponents are unbalanced by an aiki techniques (no the two opponents are not preparing for a sankyo technique as "sorry" said Aikijones, i really laughed when i read this!!!, but sure its is difficult to understand the photo without seeing the all context of the scene), and actually the opponents will completely lose their balance in the rest of the scene. But what is amazing here is that they did it very slowly as they could not recover any balance at all. Kodo sensei was able to perform aiki techniques very fast or very slowly, showing in that sense that the time is not important, the aiki technique exists now (Ueshiba was also saying the same things).

So i explained the aiki techniques, and i hope that you see now that it is difficult to understand them. But don't think that they are
mysterious, no, they are physics.

Now lets return to the history of the aikido. Ueshiba sensei was a wonderful master of the aiki techniques. But and it is important, he did not teach them as he learned them from Takada sensei, and most of people could not understand the aiki principles. Gozo Shioda was sure his most brilliant student, and unfortunately any master of the Yoshinkan dojo today is able to perform the aiki techniques as he could. Actually most of the aiki techniques dojo are located in Hokkaido (Takeda spent major part of his life in Hokkaido). The Kodokai is only located there. Why the kodokai?
The Kodokai ryu was established by Horikawa Kodo in order to preserve the Daito Ryu tradition after the Takeda sensei death. Kodo sensei had an incredible aiki technique, as he was very small, he received mainly the teaching of aiki techniques. Actually Takada did not teach the same things for every student, and according to the size, the power of the student, Takada taught either the aiki techniques or the daito ryu jujutsu techniques. Hisa sensei and Takada's son have been taught the jujutsu techniques because of their powerful body.

Now the case of the aikikai. After the death of Ueshiba, The aikikai organization went o another direction. The aim was to teach to a lot of people, and to do so the techniques had to be simple. Moreover Ueshiba did not explain the Aiki principles, and so it was really unclear to define aiki and to explain it to people. For this reason, the aikikai made its own interpretation based on the kanjis (chinese charactesr used to write aiki) and came up with the idea of harmony of energy, love, etc (based as well on the religious and philosophical ideas of Ueshiba sensei). But the problem is that their interpretation is very different from the real aiki, because it does not have any practical application, any principles to rely on, it is just philosophy. They do very large techniques (in order to have beautiful movements), the uke attacks are very weak and not realistic. Unfortunately nothing can be learned from such practice because the technique simply does not exist......
You have to remember that aiki was and is a fighting technique, but of course (it is important), aiki is a wonderful way to understand the nature around us, how our body is integrated in this environment. Its is a wonderful way to understand the kokyu and how it works in the human body. And it is a wonderful way to be more calm, open to people, and self-confident. But it is not a philosophy, to understand it, is important to learn it as a fighting and budo technique. That's the key. I am sorry to say that, but in aikikai (for example) aiki is not taught, that's a different thing, that's not aiki. There is no several definitions of aiki, no way, there is one aiki, only one. There is one definition of aiki, and anything else which is not based on the principle that i defined above can not be called aiki. Its like to say there are several physics, that’s not true, right? There is one aiki as there is one physics.

And to finish i would like to say few words about why aiki exists. Aiki exists because there is always a limit in the jujutsu techniques. For example a strong opponent will be difficult to control with jujutsu technique (try to apply them against a 2 meters and 130 kilos guy), or simply our body does not stay young for ever, and there in one day when it is not possible to apply jujutsu technique any more. Or for example it is difficult to apply an arm-lock against someone very strong, or to throw him or to hit him effectively. So the aiki techniques are used as high level state where the power of the technique does not rely on mechanical movements amy more(arm-lock, throwing) but on kokyu. And believe me they are extremely effective, the kuzushi techniques are very strong, as well as the aiki atemi (and yes atemi exist in aiki techniques but the way to apply them differs from the jujutsu techniques), and the control techniques which are called the shimeru techniques are simple amazing.
To summarize, i would like to say that there is only ONE Aiki, its a based on a wonderful understanding of natural phenomena by old masters, and it is a great part of the Japan tradition which has made wonderful masters and people.
All the things written here are the history and explanations exposed by the kodokai masters. You believe it or not but this the thought of people involved in the Daito-ryu and aikido story."



and read this website http://www.niagara.com/~zain/html/aiki.htm

bye and practice hard but in differents way!!!!!!!!!
 

Aikilove

Old member aikidoka
#70
And yet again....
...I can respond that Shioda was taught aikido both before the war (kobukan) and after the war (Iwama). He never claimed to teach anything but aikido. Not Daito ryu.

...and Steven Seagal teaches Aikikai aikido!!!!!! So did Saito from Iwama!!!!
So did Arikawa, So does Moriteru Ueshiba etc etc etc. They all have their personal flavour of training. But there are many, many shihans, dead and alive that uses, atemi, Real attacks, strangulations, kubinage etc etc. who all are part of aikikai!!!!
 

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
#71
Well said Aikilove. And Daito Ryu, if you studied Aikido (like you stated) then you would know that Aikikai is not a style, but an umbrella for several different organizations who each have there own style or teaching methodology. Seagal Shihan has Tenshin, under Aikikai (they give us our Dan grades, signed by Doshu). And looking at techniques, yes there are some differences between Aikido and Daito Ryu, however, looking closer, the differences go away, with the exception of the religious philosophies of Aikido. Just my opinion!
 
#72
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Yes Aikikaï is an institution and all master of Aikido (Seagal Sensei also) received their dan from Aikikaï but what i say is that the techniques teached in Aiki dojo (Tradionnal techniques simplified by Kishomaru Ueshiba Sensei) are differents from another place like Iwama (great Saito Sensei) or Tenshin dojo (Seagal Sensei). For example In Iwama the dojo where you can learn the tradionnal technique of Aikido developped by Ueshiba O'Sensei, the execution of Ikkyo, Nikkyo etc.....so the five priniples in Kihon waza is very different compared to what is made by guy from the Aikikaî dojo. Just for your information Aikilove,now Iwama group left the Aikikaî institution, they are now independant in dan allocation etc.........
But maybe i don't see, when you see these video clip :
daito'yu aikijujutsu :
http://www.aikidojournal.com/download_media.php?media=video&id=79
http://www.aikidojournal.com/download_media.php?media=video&id=72
http://www.aikidojournal.com/download_media.php?media=video&id=78

Aikikaï :
http://www.aikidojournal.com/download_media.php?media=video&id=81
http://www.aikidojournal.com/download_media.php?media=video&id=50
http://www.aikidojournal.com/download_media.php?media=video&id=51

Steven Seagal Sensei
http://www.aikidoedintorni.com/ARCAvideo/Seagal.zip

And Saito Seisei
http://www.aikidoedintorni.com/ARCAvideo/Saito-Aikiken e Tachidori.zip

I don't know.............. but sorry i see differences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Aikilove

Old member aikidoka
#73
Yes I know about the split of Iwama Ryu - I'm in the middle of it!!
Saito Morihiros son, Saito Hitohiro, decided to form his own aikido organisation, separate from aikikai. The head dojo of this organisation is his own dojo in Iwama. The originaly Iwama dojo, called Ibaragi Dojo, is now headed by Isoyama Hiroshi 8th dan Aikikai. I'm still part of the aikikai.

Regarding the clips you showed. Firstly - It is copywrited material!!!
Secondly I see personal differences in how Steven Seagal performs aikido compared to how Tada do aikido. I see equal differencies how Tada perfoms compared to how Endo performs or compared to how Saito performs or compares to how Yamaguchi performs or compared to how Yamada performs. All of these are/were aikikai. They all have different personal flavors. All of them teach/taught basic techniques ikkyo - rokkyo, basic throws like shihonage, iriminage, tenshinage, kaitennage, kotegaishi and koshinage. They do it with their personal flavor. All within aikikai. Some of them put more focus on hard rigid basic training, while others focus more on blending and movement from start. All within aikikai.

Look at the clips on aikidojournal.com. Look at the various aikikai teachers. There are many to choose from. They are so different and yet they are all doing aikido. Within aikikai. They are also so, so similar.
Then compare them with the clips of Hakaro Mori or Kondo Sensei or Takeda Tokimune of Daito ryu. I see the difference. Don't you?

But seriously - I suggest you remove your clips from www.aikidojournal.com to aviod lawsuits.

/J
 

tenshinaikidoka

Martial Art Student
#74
Just out of curiosity Aikilove, why did they split?? I mean, the reason for the split, did Saito Hitohiro not approve of Aikikai, or were there deeper issues???
 

Aikilove

Old member aikidoka
#74
I believe there was two reasons
1. Who has to be head of Iwama organisation? Hitohiro 6th dan aikikai or Ulf Evenås and/or Paolo Corralini both 6th dan Aikikai 7th dan Iwama?

2. Secondly Hitohiro had a private discussion with 3rd doshu (friends since kids btw) about what would happen in the future of Iwama (the place, the dojo, the grades, the style).

Apparently in the end it broke down and Hitohiro Saito as we know decided to leave aikikai all together. At the same time Ulf and Paulo decided to merge the Iwama organisation of Europe with aikikai and at least in Sweden it was solved so that all of the Iwama dan-grades were converted into Aikikai grades for the diploma and diploma transportation fee (about 40$).

Me I have never formally been apart of Iwama Ryu Europe. Only aikikai. I have my shodan only from aikikai.

Below are the letter Hitohiro Saito sent out regarding the split:
10 months have passed since the Iwama group left the Aikikai Federation and became an independent group. It gives me great pleasure to tell all our members that I have been developing my activities slowly but surely with confident steps. In this letter, I would like to thank, from the bottom of my heart, all of you who have been constantly supporting me and offering me your sincere collaborations.

First of all, I would like to tell you about what happened after my father, Morihiro Saito, died on May 13th 2002. I visited the head office of the Aikikai Federation together with the chairperson of the committee of the official funeral ceremony for my father, and we had a meeting with Doshu and another person from the All Japan Aikido Federation.

The following is what was asked of us to do at that meeting:

1. To return the name of "Ibaraki Dojocho" to the Aikikai.
2. That the Saito family will cease to use the title of "the Aiki Shrine Caretaker"
3. That we will stop conferring the Iwama-ryu certificates, if we remain inside the Aikikai Federation.

I had already been thinking that I should return the Ibaraki dojo in the near future so I replied immediately that there was no problem in agreeing to the first and second requests. However, I was a little perplexed about their third request.
to be continued....

/J
 

Aikilove

Old member aikidoka
#75
The rest of the letter of Hitohiro Saito
...
As everyone knows, the training we presently do at Iwama, is different from the training held at many other aikido dojos. This is because we have faithfully preserved the Founder's teachings and my father was always very proud of this. This training is based on the principle of the union of Ken, Tai-jutsu and Jo and was transmitted only to my father. My father dedicated his whole life to working with the Founder in the fields and woods, helping him with farming and taking care of trees. He served the Founder in full resonance, literally offering his body and soul. He used to say, " I am teaching sincerely the techniques taught to me by the Founder because this Ibaraki dojo belongs to the Founder alone". The Iwama-ryu group with its own grading system was created for those who were touched by my father's way of living and who chose to follow him as their teacher. These grades were mostly given to his students outside of Japan.

Therefore my answer to Doshu regarding the third matter was that it was my father�s wish to preserve the Iwama-ryu and I asked him to do one thing in return for my acceptance of his request. This was to announce in their official newsletter that Iwama-ryu is practicing the Founder�s aikido. If the Aikikai could show their recognition and acceptance of us, I thought, then the Aikikai certificates would become a shining treasure for all the students of the Iwama-ryu. However, this did not happen and no one in the Aikikai Federation was informed that this meeting between the Aikikai and us took place.

I thought I should not bother the Aikikai Federation or Doshu with the question of the Iwama-ryu during the mourning period of three years for my father, so I was not planning to give out any Iwama-ryu certificate. However, after less than one year, my students began to ask me, after receiving the Aikikai certificates, to give them the Iwama-ryu certificate as well.

After my father passed away, the elder students of my father wanted to become independent and founded their own organization with the name of "Takemusu Aiki". They also started to give out their own certificates to their students. In this situation when a split was happening inside our group, there were still many students who chose to follow me in the same way as they followed my father. They are the true treasure my father left for me. Therefore, when I was asked to give the Iwama-ryu certificates, I could not refuse their request.

I feel very proud of my father. I could always understand exactly what my father was thinking at any time. Today, I still ask myself what would my father do if he were still here. I have come to understand that I cannot continue my father's mission inside the Aikikai Federation, without causing more trouble with them. So I decided to leave the Aikikai and founded my own association. There is no change in my feelings of gratitude to the Founder and I will continue to follow faithfully the Founder's spirit. I respect also the former Doshu and the actual Doshu as well. My independence is not the result of conflict between the Aikikai and us. I believe that Doshu understands this.

We, the Saito family, will continue to live next to the Ibaraki dojo. We offer our prayer at the Aiki Shrine and wish the Ueshiba family good health. We feel grateful to the people who are now taking care of the Ibaraki Shibu Dojo. I think it is the best way that many people share the task of taking care of the Aiki Shrine and the dojo.

I will continue to elevate and improve myself, maturing and developing the aikido techniques. At the same time I will continue to follow the Founder and dedicate myself to preserving the teachings of my father. I deeply wish to work with you, and I would like to meet and connect with many people. It is my sincere desire to help as many people as possible to understand "the principle of the true basic techniques" of the Founder.
 
#76
copywrited material????????? Sorry Aikilove but all these video clips (from Aikidojournal website except two video Saito and Seagal Sensei) can be downloaded to the harddrive!!!!!!!!! I don't sell it and no comercial projection. I have just given you the link of these video clips, like if you see it in the original website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry i'm in the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Then compare them with the clips of Hakaro Mori or Kondo Sensei or Takeda Tokimune of Daito ryu. I see the difference. Don't you?" Euuuh yes i'm agree!!!!!!!!

For the rest i see differences between Saito Sensei and Endo sensei, between Seagal Sensei and endo Sensei...........it's my opinion!!!!!!!!!!
 

Aikilove

Old member aikidoka
#77
That is kind of the point!!! Seagals aikido is different from Saitos Aikido is different from Endos Aikido which is different from Yamaguchis aikido which is different from Yamadas aikido. But (and here's the important part) they are all aikido and Aikikai. And if you look carefully (and has an understanding of aikido at least) then you will (I did anyway) find that all of the above mentioned aikikai aikido instructors are similar enough that you see a collective difference in what they do (aikido) and what Kondo and Mori does (Daito ryu). The point is Aikido is different from Daito ryu. All teachers of Aikikai are more or less different, but they are all doing aikido which is easily distinct from Daito Ryu

Regarding the videoclips from Aikidojournal: First of - It says in the bottom of Aikidojournal.com : Copywrited (c) Aikido journal All rights reserved
Secondly I thought that you were sharing subscribers material (which you were not) and then it would definitaly have been violation against copywrite law. How it is now I don't know but....

/J
 
#78
daito-ryu fighter said:
copywrited material????????? Sorry Aikilove but all these video clips (from Aikidojournal website except two video Saito and Seagal Sensei) can be downloaded to the harddrive!!!!!!!!! I don't sell it and no comercial projection. I have just given you the link of these video clips, like if you see it in the original website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry i'm in the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Then compare them with the clips of Hakaro Mori or Kondo Sensei or Takeda Tokimune of Daito ryu. I see the difference. Don't you?" Euuuh yes i'm agree!!!!!!!!

For the rest i see differences between Saito Sensei and Endo sensei, between Seagal Sensei and endo Sensei...........it's my opinion!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with you !! :D
Your observation is correct in my opinion :D
 
#79
Thanks Isa Marie!!!!!!!!!!

To Aikilove you wrote :
"you were sharing subscribers material (which you were not) and then it would definitaly have been violation against copywrite law"

No, no the video that i have given fot this forum are totally free and everybody can watch it without be subscribers to the Aikidojournal website. Look at here http://www.aikidojournal.com/media.php?media=video&page=2

Look at below for each clips:: you have the possibility to free download (without login) or to login to see subcribers materials!!
 

Aikilove

Old member aikidoka
#80
daito-ryu fighter said:
Thanks Isa Marie!!!!!!!!!!

To Aikilove you wrote :
"you were sharing subscribers material (which you were not) and then it would definitaly have been violation against copywrite law"

No, no the video that i have given fot this forum are totally free and everybody can watch it without be subscribers to the Aikidojournal website. Look at here http://www.aikidojournal.com/media.php?media=video&page=2

Look at below for each clips:: you have the possibility to free download (without login) or to login to see subcribers materials!!
I know, Thats why I wrote "which you were not"....

/J