Karmatic rule

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SAS Guardian Angel

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Steven believes in Karmatic rule to a certain extent so do I for those of you unfamiliar with Eastern philosophy its a generalized idea of what comes around goes around .

If you do a favor for someone goodness from the heart and not because you have to, something good will come back to you in return. (never fails) Likewise if you do bad things it will come back to you as well. similiar to Nassos situation he was greedy now hes paying for it.

Curious if any of you know this theory sort of yin/yang or the power of Fung Shui for better luck placements of things (works for me) have you did a good deed and gotten a karmatic reward? curious ex:

you need just one more day of work and nobody wants to switch with you so you can do that special whatever you wanted to do..then you remember to pick up some groceries for your elderly aunt and not charge for them youre doing okay dont need her 10$.. 1 day before the day you needed off work calls wants to know if you can switch with mr.Johnson cause he needs off today and you get your special day off..absolutely you say..and the karmatic wheel keeps turning..Ive had it happen a couple times wondering if anyone else did.

Final point if Steven is innocent of most of this and I believe he is, he will return to his old self and we can see him again more often, tought times for a tough man but hes strong and I'm standing fast that this will pass it would take alot more than this rumor mill to make me go..Steven you have my full support and I feel I am not alone.
 
Lotussan

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
I think you are right about that, Jalu...
I try to do good deeds for goodness' sake, not because I have to...
I try to practice compassion at all times, and you would be suprised that most folks really do appreciate the kindness...
In fact some are so NOT used to a stranger being nice that they are taken aback a bit...
Example, if I hold the door open for an older woman...
Some actually look at me funny, go figure...
I always try to remember to say "thank-you" "you're welcome" "have a good day" and things like that...
I try to also give what I can (which isn't much) to the less fortunate as well, like the other day in Taco Bell, there was a young chinese girl collecting for her church, she was mute, but showed me a note saying that she was selling something...
She was a very sweet girl with very kind eyes, and so I gave her a few dollars that I had leftover in change from my lunch money...
She was most greatful, and it's amazing what heartfelt things the eyes can say to you...
They were smiling and warm, and she made me feel very good...
I knew she was thankful...
Now, she was giving a christian momento in exchange for any small donation, some airbrushed mirror thingy, and I said, no, no, I don't need it, please just keep mine...
She was again smiling with her eyes...
She nodded at me in acknowledgment and thanks...
It was a very rewarding experience for me, and I was glad to do it...
I do it out of compassion not because I am trying to reap a reward, however I do believe in Karma...
I think someday your generosity will come back to you, as will your greed, but you must be genuine in your efforts to do good, make a right effort and at least, do not harm...
Do not do such things for the rewards, do them from your heart, and you will reap the rewards...

This brings me to a question...
Do you give to the needy? Those on the street? I always do if I can, because you never know, they may really need it to make ends meet...
I may be more fortunate today, and tomorrow I may not, and never know, perhaps someone might help me or feed me when I need it...
I am leary sometimes though, because some folks want the money to support addictions, and I would hate to support that, but still wonder if I didn't give, would they go hungry without that couple dollars?
That would be terrible...
I dunno I think about not giving it sometimes but would rather help if I could...
Sometimes, I can't afford it or don't have any change, and I feel that is fine...
I just do when I can, and feel that it's a good thing, makes me feel good...
What do you think?
My father calls me a sucker, a bleeding heart...
But oh well...:)
 
Lotussan

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Now I will say one thing, I am frugal...I am the queen of returns too, LOL...
If I buy something and don't like it or it's defective I take it right back to get a refund...I often wonder if it's not the right thing to do, but I feel selling something defective isn't right either...I guess it's all a balance...Some people call me stingy that way...:eek:
 
Amos Stevens

Amos Stevens

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The Law of Karma is a law of action and reaction. For every action (in the form of thought, word or deed) that we commit, an equal action will be committed upon us. Like prisoners awaiting the end of our sentence, we are bound to existence in those lower regions of Creation where the Law of Karma governs until we have borne all the reactions of our good and bad actions since the beginning of Time. All the actions we commit; feeding a hungry person, taking a life, eating an apple, gossiping, praying, having prideful thoughts, are like seeds that we are sowing. Once sown, the seed will bring forth a harvest yielding similar seed. The reactions (the 'harvest') that come must be allowed to have their effect on us in order to clear our karmic debts and free us to progress to higher states of existence.
The Law of Karma is a law of justice – pure, unbiased, absolute, and inescapable. There is also the Law of Grace, which has the power to free us from our karmic bonds. This law can act upon us through the Grace of a living Master who has the authority and competency to burn away some of our karmas for us.
 
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voetballcanine

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Yeah, I'm down with Karma. Seems to work out well, I just can't figure our why bad things tend to happen to good people, but I'm reading up on it in various Buddhist books. Any insite would be appreciated.
 
Jalu

Jalu

Steve's Destiny
Because in order to understand Karma you have to consider Rebirth.
For example a good person or an innocent child who is born with a terrible disease might not have been so good and/or innocent in a previous life/lives, and this person/child's misfortune is the consequence.
 
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Serena

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Jalu said:
Because in order to understand Karma you have to consider Rebirth.
For example a good person or an innocent child who is born with a terrible disease might not have been so good and/or innocent in a previous life/lives, and this person/child's misfortune is the consequence.
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I find that very interesting, Jalu. As a matter of fact, I've had that same thought or theory that that was a possibility. I had no idea, though, it was associated with "Karma".

Thanks.
 
Disciple

Disciple

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That's some deep stuff, Amos. Interesting, but I'm not sure I agree with it.

I have to say (and I honestly mean no offense to anyone here) some of the implications here seem kind of disturbing to me. Mostly the stuff about innocents coming into the world with something that's affecting them negatively or an illness or whatever. Maybe I've misunderstood, but I REFUSE to believe that they somehow "deserved it". That's kind of the message I'm getting here.
 
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SAS Guardian Angel

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Thanks

Started something didnt we ?
occasionally I like to ponder the light and wonder what Steven is seeing spiritually (alot I'm sure) he mentions things I can barely comprehend myself (and I was considered gifted in languages and writing) hes obviously on a plane higher still..he said he studied mystic arts which do indeed sharpen the mind if you would like to know what hes talking about check out "the Spiritual Foundations of Aikido" William Gleason 5th Dan (book) A-1 /excellent in spiritual aspects of it.

I just thought it was strange if I did something good within the week the wheel turns my favor just so happens....and I noticed if I'm not so good I get rewarded in kind that way too..kinda strange..

Thanks for that excellent piece Amos..thats great!
Lotussan youre sweet be careful though there was a report on one of those investigative shows about bad people making serious money at those roadsides and here in my state IND you have to have a permit to do that like a cause or donation set up church or organization. one lady here stood outside by the road I need an organ transplant three days later arrested 800$ in cash and coke in her hotel room she went different towns with that poloy it worked and notice how when the weather picks up these starving people disappear I did..maybe theyre at the park.
 
aikijones

aikijones

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Amos Stevens said:
The Law of Karma is a law of justice – pure, unbiased, absolute, and inescapable. There is also the Law of Grace, which has the power to free us from our karmic bonds. This law can act upon us through the Grace of a living Master who has the authority and competency to burn away some of our karmas for us.
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Amos,

I completely agree with The laws of Karama. Me being new to this realm of earth. Sometimes it is very difficult for me to realize the right and wrong for the give and take purposes. But the Law of Grace I do not agree with, it sounds like a religion to me. Nothing man made can change or take Karma away. It's a contradiction to have Karma and than claim someone "living master" can take it away.​
Just a thought.​
 
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Serena

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Disciple said:
That's some deep stuff, Amos. Interesting, but I'm not sure I agree with it.

I have to say (and I honestly mean no offense to anyone here) some of the implications here seem kind of disturbing to me. Mostly the stuff about innocents coming into the world with something that's affecting them negatively or an illness or whatever. Maybe I've misunderstood, but I REFUSE to believe that they somehow "deserved it". That's kind of the message I'm getting here.
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In my case, Disciple, it's only been an idea, a possibility, I've considered at times. I think it stems from seeing children dying all the time. I don't know if you're aware, but the children I work with in the hospital suffer from cancer and leukemia. I believe in God, but I guess I try to rationalize or explain somehow why these innocent beings are made to suffer as they are. It's a thought that's crossed my mind from time to time as as a possible explanation for what I see. It's so difficult when you see this all the time to just accept it as God's will, try as I might--and when parents ask over and over, why my child? Why, indeed? I truly have no idea.

I hope, though, that you can possibly see how someone might have an idea like that, even if only occasionally.
 
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SAS Guardian Angel

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Disciple:

Its okay Im native American and we have similar stories to Asia we are distantly connected in that thought..Russia has this too its in tha area where Steven seens to like Russia,Mongolia,Asia he'd fit right in this circle..once upon a time a few hundred years back we had stories like Aesops Fables to tell us morality in humanity . Stories with a point more or less you do tis you get this you do that and this is whats going to happen to you..

I think this is where its coming in..we had similar thought as does India , China, Russia, Germany..if you were bad in this life to your fellow man you would return as a lower caste pig. warthog, platapus etc., and whatever you did not forgive would befall you when you returned. It did not apply to children per se..if I had the power to give childrens cancerto deserving rapists and murderers in prison and restore the innocent I would but I cant but I see how the story teaches humility be good or else..powerful stuff worked well til we got TV then computer..
 
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