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Wow
No one else liked this film. Maybe I was having a dream, and never actually watched it?
No one else liked this film. Maybe I was having a dream, and never actually watched it?
OUT OF REACH review!(Contain Spoilers)
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suziwong said:
That's too bad about the incorrect Turkish references, Suzi.
Maybe that has something to do with why you didn't like it, since you did like so many other things about it, as you listed #1-5. You didn't mention what you didn't like, Suzi. Anything in particular? Belly of the Beast was one I also enjoyed.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Suzi.
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suziwong said:Really I am sorry Res !!!
It is okay suzi, I enjoyed the film, if you didnt that is ok. I am curious though, if they represented Turkey and the Turkish people more accurately, do you think you would have liked it, or did you just not like it for other reasons?
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Serena said:That's too bad about the incorrect Turkish references, Suzi.
Belly of the Beast was one I also enjoyed.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Suzi.
Serena, when can we expect a review from you?
Reservoir Dog said:Serena, when can we expect a review from you?
I haven't seen it yet, but I don't know if you'll really like mine or not.
I don't give "reviews". I usually just say whether I liked it or not. That's the beauty about a "personal opinion", eh? You don't have to justify it or explain it. 
And I'm really glad to hear you liked it. I tend to agree with a lot of the things you post here, so I'm hoping I agree with you on that, as well!
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i came to a conclusion on this
The only reason I think that people here may not like it, is because it is not a Seagal movie. By this I mean, technically, anyone could have pulled of Seagal's role because there was little or no fighting to be done. Then again, it was more interesting that way, it made him stretch his acting and try something different and more challenging. But, hardcore fans like to see Seagal commanding on screen. He takes some hits in this one, and even lets one of the bad guys escape his wrath (when has a bad guy ever gotten away from Seagal unharmed?) It is quite a bit different, but in a strange way, a lot better quality, then most of his films to date. There are those people on the internet (possibly Vern, as an example) who expect to see Seagal as Nico on the New York streets at their local theatre. Those days may be over, but that does not mean you cannot embrace this film for what it is. An entertaining thriller, with our man Seagal, doing what he does best.
The only reason I think that people here may not like it, is because it is not a Seagal movie. By this I mean, technically, anyone could have pulled of Seagal's role because there was little or no fighting to be done. Then again, it was more interesting that way, it made him stretch his acting and try something different and more challenging. But, hardcore fans like to see Seagal commanding on screen. He takes some hits in this one, and even lets one of the bad guys escape his wrath (when has a bad guy ever gotten away from Seagal unharmed?) It is quite a bit different, but in a strange way, a lot better quality, then most of his films to date. There are those people on the internet (possibly Vern, as an example) who expect to see Seagal as Nico on the New York streets at their local theatre. Those days may be over, but that does not mean you cannot embrace this film for what it is. An entertaining thriller, with our man Seagal, doing what he does best.
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suziwong said:
I am sure Steven Seagal has no prejudiced towards the Turkish People, suzi. Remember, the majority of the film was filmed in POLAND, not Turkey, so maybe they just didnt have time to get their facts straight.
suziwong said:
Nope--never hear you say anything bad about Steven or his films, Suzi.
Was it just the fez reference, or was there more? Because, you know, many, many movies have "stereotypes". Like most movies about New Yorkers have them speaking with that "typical New York" accent. Or Italian men are often portrayed as going around pinching girls' bottoms.
No one did that to me in all my trips there! Or they have women from India all wear saris, when many modern women do not any any more. Or have all the French people walking along the streets with a shopping bag that has a long loaf of breading sticking out of it. Or nurses being naughty in sexy uniforms. See what I mean, Suzi? I'm not trying to defend him or say that it's a good thing to do. I'm just saying that is still the way many movies are made these days, even though it's not correct, and I'm sure Turkey was not singled out to be picked on.
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The fez hat was intended for a bit of comic relief (although I didnt really laugh too much) What else was inaccurate about the Turkish culture?
Suzi, my friend, I am so sorry you have been hurt!
Steven was just making a movie (and by the faint praise, not a very good movie at that), not a political statement (at least, I hope he wasn't).
You also have to remember, my sweet Suzi, that Steven doesn't care about his movies any more. Even in the ones he did care about, there were mistakes and wrong facts and stereotypes. I'm sure the Thai people didn't like being portrayed the way they were in Belly of the Beast; the native people didn't like the way they were portrayed in On Deadly Ground; and the people in the southern United States really, really hated being portrayed the way they were in Fire Down Below. Not to mention Italians in Above the Law and Out for Justice; the Jamaicans in Marked for Death; and the Chinese in Out for a Kill.
This time around it was Turkey's turn; and that, I suspect, was because whoever wrote the film didn't bother to do any research to get it right, and with a low budget film, who is going to check the facts?
I'm very sorry that this happened, though; it's wrong, even for a low budget movie, to do something so thoughtless to people in a country that is helping in the international fight against terrorism. And I'm very sorry you are so upset! I think a letter to Mr. Seagal telling him about your distress and your hurt would be a very good idea!
By the way, I had no idea that it was supposed to be Turkey in the film; I thought it was Serbia!
-TD, waiting for her copy, but now not really looking forward to watching it
Steven was just making a movie (and by the faint praise, not a very good movie at that), not a political statement (at least, I hope he wasn't).
You also have to remember, my sweet Suzi, that Steven doesn't care about his movies any more. Even in the ones he did care about, there were mistakes and wrong facts and stereotypes. I'm sure the Thai people didn't like being portrayed the way they were in Belly of the Beast; the native people didn't like the way they were portrayed in On Deadly Ground; and the people in the southern United States really, really hated being portrayed the way they were in Fire Down Below. Not to mention Italians in Above the Law and Out for Justice; the Jamaicans in Marked for Death; and the Chinese in Out for a Kill.
This time around it was Turkey's turn; and that, I suspect, was because whoever wrote the film didn't bother to do any research to get it right, and with a low budget film, who is going to check the facts?
I'm very sorry that this happened, though; it's wrong, even for a low budget movie, to do something so thoughtless to people in a country that is helping in the international fight against terrorism. And I'm very sorry you are so upset! I think a letter to Mr. Seagal telling him about your distress and your hurt would be a very good idea!
By the way, I had no idea that it was supposed to be Turkey in the film; I thought it was Serbia!
-TD, waiting for her copy, but now not really looking forward to watching it
TDWoj said:
Thank you TD yes I know it is a story for the movie !! But too many things were wrong !!! It was wrong our flags, our flags figure (moon and star) was wrong !! I am sorry especially for our FLAGS !! it was wrong and UNACCEPTABLE !!!!
Our culture was wrong !!! Everthing & everything !!! I am sorry !!
To letter Mr. Seagal ??? You know it is useless for he will never answer or read it !!!
suzi
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Say it aint so, Steven
It's hard to admit Seagal doesnt care about his fans, but it is probably true. He doesnt show them the respect they deserve by putting out quality movies for them. His official site is obviously not well funded, and he does not take an interest in making it good for his fans. I am angry at him, not for the way he portrayed Turkey, but because he is taking advantage of his fans devotion and exploiting them to make money.
It's hard to admit Seagal doesnt care about his fans, but it is probably true. He doesnt show them the respect they deserve by putting out quality movies for them. His official site is obviously not well funded, and he does not take an interest in making it good for his fans. I am angry at him, not for the way he portrayed Turkey, but because he is taking advantage of his fans devotion and exploiting them to make money.
Reservoir Dog said:
Gee, Reservoir Dog. What changed your mind? You just liked it a bit ago, and said so through several different threads. You're entitled to still like it, you know, just because some others didn't.
I never, ever let anyone's opinion influence my like or dislike of a movie. They're entitled to theirs, as you are to yours. Their opinion doesn't mean they're right and you're wrong, or vice versa. It's just that, a personal opinion.
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Serena said:Gee, Reservoir Dog. What changed your mind? You just liked it a bit ago, and said so through several different threads. You're entitled to still like it, you know, just because some others didn't.
Whoa, I did like the movie. I like all of Seagal's movies. But I dont think he cares enough about his fans as he does making a quick buck. I always felt this way, but now more than ever (the official site to support me) I am almost sure Seagal has no regard for his fans that have supported him for almost twenty years.
I was actually referring to what Suzi said about Seagal not reading her letter. This is probably true, which is very unfortunate.