OUT OF REACH review!(Contain Spoilers)

[Serena]

Whoa, I did like the movie. I like all of Seagal's movies. But I dont think he cares enough about his fans as he does making a quick buck. I always felt this way, but now more than ever (the official site to support me) I am almost sure Seagal has no regard for his fans that have supported him for almost twenty years.

Okay, Reservoir Dog. Sorry if I misunderstood that part.

My personal opinion, though, is that if he didn't care about his fans, he wouldn't continue to make films and put out a music CD. You know, he's the star, paid to be a star. That does not mean he has total control over any aspect of any movie. But that's just my opinion. You know optimistic me.

I was actually referring to what Suzi said about Seagal not reading her letter. This is probably true, which is very unfortunate.

And since you added this later , I'll add my comment. Do you think very many stars personally answer fan mail? I don't know, as I don't write to any, but I don't know how they possibly could.

 

[Reservoir Dog]

And since you added this later , I'll add my comment. Do you think very many stars personally answer fan mail? I don't know, as I don't write to any, but I don't know how they possibly could.

Probably not, but since Suzi is such a big fan, it would be nice if she could at least go to the Seagal's official site without having to read trolls posting vulgar things in her name. As far as fan mail goes, I dont know how many people actually write fan mail, and I could appreciate the fact he is busy. But all the little things that I tend to write off as no big deal eventually blow up and make me frustrated. The voice overs, the stunt doubles, and now the official site. It's as if he is not putting the effort and making it the best possible. I realize it is not big budget, but you have to build up to win back an audience, and I think he should be motivated to try harder. "Out of Reach" was really a cool film, no doubt about it. But in terms of PR with fans, there is a lot of room for improvement.

 

[Serena]

Probably not, but since Suzi is such a big fan, it would be nice if she could at least go to the Seagal's official site without having to read trolls posting vulgar things in her name. As far as fan mail goes, I dont know how many people actually write fan mail, and I could appreciate the fact he is busy. But all the little things that I tend to write off as no big deal eventually blow up and make me frustrated. The voice overs, the stunt doubles, and now the official site. It's as if he is not putting the effort and making it the best possible. I realize it is not big budget, but you have to build up to win back an audience, and I think he should be motivated to try harder. "Out of Reach" was really a cool film, no doubt about it. But in terms of PR with fans, there is a lot of room for improvement.

That is a shame about Suzi's name over at the so-called "official" site, but no one has had their name abused there more than me--but I don't hold it against Steven personally.

I respect your thoughts, Reservoir Dog, as always. Myself, as a fan, I expect and ask for nothing more from Steven Seagal other than a movie once in a while that I can enjoy--and so far I've been quite happy.

 

[Sworn Enemy]

It is a review technically, but not from a Seagal film

????? From a Seagal film?


I will assume you meant fan..and if that's the case, than you are barking up the wrong tree. I'm as big a fan as any of you here. I kept my review short and sweet cause the movie sucked. For some reason a lot of the people at this forum don't want to be at all critical towards Seagal's flicks, or anything he does for that matter.

Are you afraid your going to offend him? You will never meet the dude so who cares..you know how Dolph Lundgren movies blow, well thats the case for most of the latter Seagal movies. They are not good movies...I still own them and have still them all from a collectors stand point. If you measure Marked for Death next to annnny of the movies he's made in the last 5 years, the newer ones are deemed crap. And that brings me to me a point..if the guy could make great movies once, with good stories and good scripts and good direction..why does he settle for making this nonsense.

Come on now..those fight scenes in Out of Reach were awful. In the first one it wasn't even him. The continuity was all over the place..these two people are mailing each other from half way around the world..and yet the letters seem to arrive as if they were emailed. And the dubbing...I don't want to hear the words "maybe he is too busy". Try being a little proud of your work, and if post production work is needed than go in and do it. Re-dubs can take up maybe one afternoon. That's just lazy. The guy still wants to be seen as a serious actor, yet he releases stuff where it isn't even him speaking.

Everyone here can keep saying that his movies get better and better, or they are just as good as the early ones..you guys are living in fantasy land. Don't reply and tell me how you I'm not a fan either..I own Out of Reach, where most of you just rented it..and that's not me claiming "mine is bigger than yours". I always get his movies on release day. But I'm also a big enough fan to say the stuff you put out now is trash. Imagine he read this dopey forum..he'd read pages of praise and think how he still has a career. I would rather him read my posts so he can say...yeah I've been disappointing my fans with these straight to video B-Movies, maybe I need to examine what made my earlier movies so much better.

If you do see this, lose weight, prove that you can still do your Akido and try reciting your own dialogue. Oh yeah and bring back either Dwight H Little or Andrew Davis..neither one of them has done anything worthwile of late. And speak to JF Lawton again maybe he can pen Under Siege 3. That would be a real comeback.

Good day folks, tired of arguing.

 

[Reservoir Dog]

That is a shame about Suzi's name over at the so-called "official" site, but no one has had their name abused there more than me--but I don't hold it against Steven personally.

I respect your thoughts, Reservoir Dog, as always. Myself, as a fan, I expect and ask for nothing more from Steven Seagal other than a movie once in a while that I can enjoy--and so far I've been quite happy.

Thank you. I really admire Seagal. He is a hero to me. I just wish things would go better for him. I still highly recommend "Out of Reach", although I am sorry Suzi felt she was disrespected.

 

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

seagal's ship is still sinking

i too have followed mr. seagal's film career to present. negative reviews have also occured to other performers as well, such as clint eastwood. clint was not received well in america when he first started making films, but as time went by. the whole planet recognized eastwood's talent and art work on film. i believe this is the same case for steven seagal too, but steven seagal will win the hearts of fans on the planet eventually as time passes too. wait, watch, and see!!!

 

[yudansha]

Soon...

I'm hoping that "Into The Sun" will be a big change.

 

[Tiggy]

Although I like Steven a lot, (my real admiration is for things he does outside the movie industry) I guess I could be classed as one of his strongest critics on this site. Whatever I say about him, I would - and will in due course say to his face. So firstly, I think it is fine to be his greatest fan, and then to either critircize, or dislike something he does. There can never be any doubt of Suzi's loyalty, and I am sure that she would be one of the people on this site,he would not only admire, but be totally amazed with. Her fantastic collection of pictures and ability to sniff out information is fantastic, and I could see him being very impressed. As for him disliking the Turkish people and country, from what I know of him, I think that to be highly unlikely. Steven is very much a ''world'' citizen who would not be prejudice against a whole country, or it's people. He has displayed a bordem and laziness of late about his films - just goes through the motions, and I suspect leaves the entire research of the project in hand to others. To be truthful, I doubt Steven has a clue what goes on or bothers to attend and pre, or post production meetings. Suzi, he would be very proud of you, it is those around him misrepresenting hhim, who should be ashamed and blamed.

 

[TDWoj]

Well said, Tiggy.

I don't think Steven had much to do with the Turkish elements of the movie, suzi - that was the production staff, the people who take care of the details that go into the movie. They just didn't take care with what they were doing.

So, don't lose your love for Steven, Suzi - he probably didn't even know it was wrong!

 

[Lotussan]

I got my dvd copy!!!!
Fast, huh?
I too liked belly a lot!
He was so sweet in both!
Even my dad enjoyed this film, abd he is picky, but he admires Steven!
He watches with me!
This movie was not my all time favorite, but was good...
He looked very nice and spiffy, and he did lose a lot of weight, I like him whatever weight, it makes no difference really!
He reminded me of Orin Boyd in this one a lot...
To choose, I liked belly the best, because it was so romantic!
He was awesome in this one shooting, kicking and swordfighting, I liked it very much!

 

[Serena]

I got my dvd copy!!!!
Fast, huh?
I too liked belly a lot!
He was so sweet in both!
Even my dad enjoyed this film, abd he is picky, but he admires Steven!
He watches with me!
This movie was not my all time favorite, but was good...
He looked very nice and spiffy, and he did lose a lot of weight, I like him whatever weight, it makes no difference really!
He reminded me of Orin Boyd in this one a lot...
To choose, I liked belly the best, because it was so romantic!
He was awesome in this one shooting, kicking and swordfighting, I liked it very much!

Cool, Lotus! Glad you enjoyed it. I've read a lot of positive things about the fight scenes from other sites, like the Amazon reviews.

And spiffy, eh? There's a word you don't hear every day, but I'm glad to hear he's looking it!

 

[Pat]

I got mine at lunch time and was really looking forward to watching it tonight
now I am doubtful.But since I just like looking at Steven I guess I won't be
too disappointed. Will let everyone know tommorrow. Suzi I am very sorry about
the things said about Turkey, but are you sure they are Steven's mistakes, and
not one of the editors or writers?
Pat

 

[yudansha]

Took me awhile to read all that... sorry to hear your disappointment, Suzi.

"Italian men are often portrayed as going around pinching girls' bottoms. No one did that to me in all my trips there! Or have all the French people walking along the streets with a shopping bag that has a long loaf of breading sticking out of it. Or nurses being naughty in sexy uniforms."

LOL Serena ... I don't know about those Italian men, as I have quite a few Italian friends and they've never done that. About the French and the bread... people in the Eastern European countries do the same thing. When I was growing up, there was a huge bread making factory not too far off and my friends and I always went there to buy that long bread (we had to buy quite a few, because we ate alot on the way back). And as far as nurses go, well... you're the expert.

"Do you think very many stars personally answer fan mail? I don't know, as I don't write to any, but I don't know how they possibly could."

LOL that reminded me of Foamy!!!
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Belly of the Beast had TONNES of small mistakes, and they couldn't have been Steven Seagal's fault...

One more thing, about that portrayal of different cultures... I liked how they protrayed the Ukrainians in the Italian Job!

 

[Donald Lee Wilkey]

reply to sworn enemy

i'd rather watch seagal films over schwarzenegger films. arny may be what you consider "in shape" physically speaking, for film performances, but seagal is much more interesting to see! even if steven seagal doesn't fit your description of your type of actor for entertaining roles. look deeper into seagal's craft my fellow fan of seagal!?

 

[Sworn Enemy]

i'd rather watch seagal films over schwarzenegger films. arny may be what you consider "in shape" physically speaking, for film performances, but seagal is much more interesting to see! even if steven seagal doesn't fit your description of your type of actor for entertaining roles. look deeper into seagal's craft my fellow fan of seagal!?

Which craft, his acting craft?

He's not a trained actor, he was a stunt coordinator or a martial arts consultant on a few movies in the early 80's...than when the whole new wave of sub par action heroes came about (Dolph Lundgren, Jeff Speakman, Van Damme) they knew the dude could do karate so they cast him in some flicks. I'll take Seagal over any action hero ever..but please don't pretend that the guy is Laurence Olivier. He's cool to watch when he f*cks people up, thats what an action hero does.

 

[Reservoir Dog]

hmmmm...

I didnt hear anyone bring up the comparison of seagal and Laurence Olivier, or of using karate in his films, except you. For one thing, Seagal started off using aikido in "Above the Law". That's why he is such a celebrated action star, he is the first one to use this style in movies. If you only like Seagal because of the action violence, okay. I too like the action in the movies, if they dont have that, no, they are not very good Seagal films. But to get on the board, call Seagal "fatso", criticise him and disrespect the opinions on this board, is pretty nonsensical. If you are going to post, it would be nice if you picked something to discuss, besides complain that the films aren't "violent enough" It was a direct to video movie. And here is the golden rule for Direct To Video movies:

Don't go in expecting an oscar winning performance, script, or well executed action sequences. Expect the worse. That way you wont be disappointed.

If you refuse to consider Seagal to be an actor, rather than someone that "f*cks people up", fine. But do not post here, because it's uneccessary and boring.

 

[Tiggy]

Well said, Tiggy.

I don't think Steven had much to do with the Turkish elements of the movie, suzi - that was the production staff, the people who take care of the details that go into the movie. They just didn't take care with what they were doing.

So, don't lose your love for Steven, Suzi - he probably didn't even know it was wrong!

Another thing to remember Suzi, when a movie is being shot, it is not done at all in sequence, and very often the 2nd unit will be shooting scenes that do not use the main artiste. Shooting a film is so disjointed that there are great problems keeping track of the very basic synopses, let alone the finer details of which country it is supposed to be in - particularly when it is shot miles from the real place.

 

[Lotussan]

And spiffy, eh? There's a word you don't hear every day, but I'm glad to hear he's looking it!

Actually, "spiffy" is suzi's word I stole it, but yes, he is looking it, and verrrry sexy as well, hehehe...

 

[Shawn C]

"...than when the whole new wave of sub par action heroes came about (Dolph Lundgren, Jeff Speakman, Van Damme)..."


Speakman wasn't sub-par, IMO. "The Perfect Weapon" is one of my favorite MA flicks of all time.

 

[Reservoir Dog]

"...than when the whole new wave of sub par action heroes came about (Dolph Lundgren, Jeff Speakman, Van Damme)..."


Speakman wasn't sub-par, IMO. "The Perfect Weapon" is one of my favorite MA flicks of all time.

Speakman is a great martial artist. This guy is just a troll trying to stir up something. Unfortunately, he is trying to convince everyone he is a fan, which makes it harder to accuse him.