Steven's films being cut in the UK

steve

New Member
Hi everyone,
UK fans have had a really rough time with their heroes films, all of his earlier films were cut here in the UK and his latest ones probably aren't just because they're not as graphically violent. Here's a run-down of the cuts made:

NICO/ABOVE THE LAW (15s) - cuts to Seagal beating a thug in the bar with his fist, a small drugs scene shortly after the bar, and the arm-breaking of Henry Silva at the end.

HARD TO KILL (12s) - cuts to The Master kicking the snooker cue villain in the face and forcing the shotgun into Bill Sadler's mouth in the wardrobe.

MARKED FOR DEATH (22s) - cuts to the arm-break in the jewellery store, the arm-over-the-shoulder break in the voodoo chamber, and both the eye-gouge and the back-break at the end.

OUT FOR JUSTICE (54s) - The Master pushing the pimp through the car window and hurling him through trash cans, the close-up of the meat cleaver in the hand, close-ups of him putting the snooker ball in the cloth in the bar, him shooting a villain on the bed in his apartment and a whole section of the final fight where he snaps FOrsythe's wrist, pushes him through a window and beats him with a rolling pin.

UNDER SIEGE (10s) - cuts to knife slices to the leg and armpit, a villain being pushed into a bandsaw blade, a throat being ripped out and part of Tommy Lee Jones having his eye gouged.

ON DEADLY GROUND (1m10s) - a head being thrown into a juke-box, a kick to the groin, an arm crunch as he flips a guy over, a wrist-break, another groin kick, a villain holding his crotch, another villain having his arm crunched before being thrown through a window, a whole section of the torture scene in which a pipe-cutter is used on a man's leg, a shotgun blast exiting a man's stomach, a hit to the face with a bat, a villain's face before he is shot through the window, several arm crunches and kicks to a long-haired villain, the female villain bloodied before she blows up, villains on fire, two hits to the face of two villains and a pipe exiting a man's head at the end.

UNDER SIEGE 2 (2m01s) - (takes deep breath) a villain pulling a knife from a passenger, several cuts to the eyeball torture in which the weapon is moved closer to their eyes and Dane continues talking about what it will do to them, a cut to a wrist, further shots of the villain being pulled under the train, more details of Seagal making the bomb, several cuts to villains on fire including Penn shooting one of his own men, a villain catching fire downstairs and Seagal kicking him off te train, a villain being pushed head-first into a wall and Seagal breaking both his wrists, the cliff villain's head being slammed into the rocks, Peter Greene's neck being broken, Penn's knife as he pulls it and more of him killing one of his own men, a knife hanging from a villain's neck, Penn threatening Dane with his knife, an arm-break by The Master in the carriage, Penn and Seagal pulling their knives, numerous further cuts to knives at the end, Seagal breaking Penn's neck and Dane's finger severing in the helicopter door.

THE GLIMMER MAN (8s) - The Master beating a thug with a gun in the car and several hits to the villain's face on the desk in the final fight.

EXECUTIVE DECISION (8s) - Seagal pulling his knife, a thug's throat being slit, a knife being pulled out of a neck, a villain being stabbed in the back of a neck and the chief villain rising from a praying position toward the end.

Even the trailer for Marked For Death was cut by a second when released. Why can't the British censors just leave The Master's films alone?

Steve
 

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TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
I don't recall seeing any of those in the Out for Justice, so it must be cut here as well on my Region 1 dvd.

Excuse to go and see it again, I suppose... like that's a hardship!
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
Thanks Steve, your list was kind of a brain refresher...:D
It's a pity they do it though, why can't they just warn you
about it, and leave it at that?
It's very brutal stuff, but what an impact it has...
The films just are not the same without those scenes...
And, that is what he's is sooooo famous for...
WOW, he's so very exciting! And great photos, too!
 

Disciple

come get some
Yes, I'm originally from the UK, and was always extremely irritated that they would cut the "good" parts out of Sensei's movies. That's why it's best to get the Region 1 DVDs and a multi region DVD player if you can afford to, and you don't already live here. They also censor a lot of horror movies over there...
 

Disciple

come get some
Anyone got any news on the complete uncut Canadian theatrical version of Under Siege 2?

That was one that was even cut in the States, and then later cut for Canadian video release. Was thinking about finding out if anyone had the original complete & uncut version.
 

steve

New Member
Censor cuts

Don't worry it's not just Sensei's films. Most of Van Damme's, Arnie's, Stallone's and all the other tough guy films are cut here in the UK but in the early days they had a real thing for hacking The Master's films to pieces that's for sure. Most films are cut in the US by the MPAA before worldwide release already and whatever the BBFC or other countries cut are cuts on TOP of these scenes already cut by the MPAA for 'R' or lower certificates.

The Canadian cinema version of Under Siege 2 was not uncut, in fact it was cut quite heavily but was a rare occasion when a version actually contained some of the stuff the MPAA in America had cut, mainly Penn having his face fried on a cooker. As with the original uncut versions of most films before the MPAA in the US got their hands on them, they will probably never be found as the versions as the directors wanted them are not usually ever commercially released.

Under Siege 2 isn't the only one that appears tohave been cut by the Motion Picture Board; Out for Justice, On Deadly Ground, Fire Down Below and The Glimmer Man all in particular look as if the distributor had to cut footage before their releases at the request of the MPAA. Rumours or suggestions have included William Forsythe having his head slammed through the table at the end of Out For Justice (look closely at the table and in some shots you can still see the hole), blood spurts and further leg torture in On Deadly Ground, the neck breaking of a villain in the Fire Down Below canvern which now cuts away and of course in The Glimmer Man Seagal slicing into the dead woman's chest and a cut in the restaurant which looks very suspiciously like an arm-break has been removed.

Sadly with the MPAA cutting all these and many more films before their release, the full original complete uncut versions as they were meant to be seen have never been seen anywhere in the world ever. Maybe we should start a campaign along the lines of what Friday the 13th fans have been doing for years to get the full original unrated versions of their films released worldwide.

Steve :)
 

Disciple

come get some
steve said:
Sadly with the MPAA cutting all these and many more films before their release, the full original complete uncut versions as they were meant to be seen have never been seen anywhere in the world ever. Maybe we should start a campaign along the lines of what Friday the 13th fans have been doing for years to get the full original unrated versions of their films released worldwide.

Steve :)

That's a damn good idea, Steve. I would gladly be a part of that.

And as far as the complete versions go- sometimes people do get lucky and find such things as "workprint" or "screener" tapes that contain uncut or alternate or deleted footage from theatrically released movies. There is for example, a workprint of the Van Damme movie "Hard Target" that supposedly has a lot more violence in it than any of the officially released versions, stuff that the censor boards wanted to cut so that the public wouldn't see it.

Seagal films definitely have cuts in them that most of us aren't aware of, like the Out for Justice stuff you mention. Another example is the Japanese Laserdisc version of Marked for Death, which has a longer cut of Screwface getting his eyes gouged out by Sensei- So I wonder if there are other foreign versions e.g. Japan or China, of Seagal movies that contain longer scenes (or are more uncut) than the ones we see in our countries. Also, if you look at the trailers to stuff like Hard to Kill and Under Siege 2, there are even non-violent dialogue scenes shown, that are nowhere to be found in the actual movie, and therefore are part of the extra footage that none of use have ever seen- the kind of stuff that would go onto the "deleted scenes" section of a Special Edition DVD.

Just imagine a Steven Seagal Special Edition DVD collection with all his best films, completely uncut, with all extra or deleted scenes, plus director's commentaries, etc. :D

Maybe as fans we can do petitions or something to make that happen. If enough of us demand it, then I'm sure we could get results. After all, Seagal was the number one action star in the world during the peak of his fame, so he does have millions of fans... He was at least as popular as Jason Voorhees of the Friday the 13th films, if not much more so... And if the Friday the 13th fans are being heard, then maybe us Seagal fans will be heard too...

And I would love to see the scene where Penn gets his face friend on a cooker :D (has anyone actually seen this footage?)
 

dscpotts

New Member
You forgot stuff they should have cut out too.

Half past Dead - 98 minutes
the Foreigner - 91 minutes
Out for a Kill - 86 Minutes.

If only the BBFC had been a litte more understanding, and cut the whole of these films out, so they never tarnished Stevens great action film making name.
 

ORANGATUANG

Wildfire
steve said:
Don't worry it's not just Sensei's films. Most of Van Damme's, Arnie's, Stallone's and all the other tough guy films are cut here in the UK but in the early days they had a real thing for hacking The Master's films to pieces that's for sure. Most films are cut in the US by the MPAA before worldwide release already and whatever the BBFC or other countries cut are cuts on TOP of these scenes already cut by the MPAA for 'R' or lower certificates.

The Canadian cinema version of Under Siege 2 was not uncut, in fact it was cut quite heavily but was a rare occasion when a version actually contained some of the stuff the MPAA in America had cut, mainly Penn having his face fried on a cooker. As with the original uncut versions of most films before the MPAA in the US got their hands on them, they will probably never be found as the versions as the directors wanted them are not usually ever commercially released.

Under Siege 2 isn't the only one that appears tohave been cut by the Motion Picture Board; Out for Justice, On Deadly Ground, Fire Down Below and The Glimmer Man all in particular look as if the distributor had to cut footage before their releases at the request of the MPAA. Rumours or suggestions have included William Forsythe having his head slammed through the table at the end of Out For Justice (look closely at the table and in some shots you can still see the hole), blood spurts and further leg torture in On Deadly Ground, the neck breaking of a villain in the Fire Down Below canvern which now cuts away and of course in The Glimmer Man Seagal slicing into the dead woman's chest and a cut in the restaurant which looks very suspiciously like an arm-break has been removed.

Sadly with the MPAA cutting all these and many more films before their release, the full original complete uncut versions as they were meant to be seen have never been seen anywhere in the world ever. Maybe we should start a campaign along the lines of what Friday the 13th fans have been doing for years to get the full original unrated versions of their films released worldwide.

Steve :)

Hi Steve, my name is Heather all i can say is"WHAT ARE THEY THINKING"
now i have heard everything...
How dare they do that, Iam from Australia and we have no problem.. so far not like you..I hope something changes eh? bye.
 

dscpotts

New Member
ORANGATUANG said:
Hi Steve, my name is Heather all i can say is"WHAT ARE THEY THINKING"
now i have heard everything...
How dare they do that, Iam from Australia and we have no problem.. so far not like you..I hope something changes eh? bye.


The Australian Marked for Death is as cut as ours is, I know this because before I got the region 1 version I bought the region 4, but it was as butchered as the region 2.

Anyway, the BBFC are much much more lenient now, I seriously doubt if any Seagal movie would be cut if they came out now. If anyone has watched Equilibrium, there is an arm snap that beats anything in any Seagal film, and they passed that for a 15 cert
 

Storm

Smile dammit!
This is bad. Maybe there is a link we can e mail to complain. If a film is passed an adult rating it should be just that.
 

ORANGATUANG

Wildfire
dscpotts said:
The Australian Marked for Death is as cut as ours is, I know this because before I got the region 1 version I bought the region 4, but it was as butchered as the region 2.

Anyway, the BBFC are much much more lenient now, I seriously doubt if any Seagal movie would be cut if they came out now. If anyone has watched Equilibrium, there is an arm snap that beats anything in any Seagal film, and they passed that for a 15 cert

Yeah like i said, its so stupid huh? I have seen other movies that had bits cut out of them..Total crappp.

Thanks for the info, catch you later.. my name is Heather ..
 

steve

New Member
Sounds good to me

Not sure sure if the Friday the 13th fans are being heard but we can but try. I for one would rejoice the day we see The Master's films in the versions they were meant to be seen in. As mentioned most of his trailers contain scenes that didn't make it into the final cut but these were down to editing decisions rather than censorship.

Naturally though I'd love to see those missing scenes too! On Deadly Ground has tonnes including what appears to be a more intimate relationship between Seagal and Joan Chen. While in Fire Down Below there appears to be another chase scene aswell as the gas station originally having blown up. Marked for Death has an extra scene with Seagal and some mobsters and Out for Justice had those extra scenes as seen in some TV versions where WIlliam Forsythe invades Seagal's wife's home and nother where he buys a shirt and threatens a shop owner.

Alas as mentioned the Australian censors can be pretty harsh too and films which are now in the shops in the UK are still banned over there (Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, Cannibal Holocaust and Pink Flamingoes are all banned as far as I know, they're very harsh on scenes of sexual violence as are the BBFC).

That said, the British censors were pretty lenient with Out for a Kill, giving it a measly '15' rating and leaving in tact its generous helpings of neck-breaks, arm-crunches and even an eye-gouge or two.

Steve :)
 

Disciple

come get some
So who here wants to organize and make some kind of petition (or some other way to let the movie studios know) that we could eventually send out, asking for uncut Special Edition DVDs of Seagal's films?

If we get enough signatures, i.e. several thousand, THIS COULD HAPPEN. It's not impossible, I've heard of fans of other movies (especially cult sci-fi and horror movies) getting the same result when they organized. We could get:

-Complete, uncut, remastered audio/visual versions of Seagal's films

-Deleted scenes (some of which are partially visible in the trailers, alternate TV versions, etc)

-Commentaries from Seagal, plus maybe the directors, other actors (especially would like to see commentaries from some of his great scenery-chewing bad guys e.g. Basil Wallace, Bill Forsythe, Bill Sadler, Gary Busey, Everett McGill, etcetcetc)

-"Making of" shows (new, or old ones from the time)

-Old interviews with Seagal, directors, etc (e.g. those TV interviews from the 1980s, or the first few rare TV appearances that he did- a DVD producing company would have a lot easier time tracking such appearances down than we do)

-New retrospective interviews

-Special documentaries about Seagal (e.g. having Path Beyong Thought on an Above the Law Special Edition), special reports about his background and history a documentary about "the agency", environmental awareness programs, etc

-A day in the life of Steven Seagal; mini reality TV show, with Sensei instead of Ozzy Ozbourne

-Picture galleries (including rare pics from mags, etc)

-Isolated music scores and soundtracks (David Michael Frank's excellent stuff, plus maybe Seagal's own musical work)

-Other hidden features, e.g. TV ads that he has done in different parts of the world, plus DVD easter eggs like minigames, quizzes, and suchlike

-Nice new packaging (they always do nice packaging for special or collector's editions)

-Maybe even a fan documentary or two (such as on the Evil Dead discs) where you have obsessive fans discussing why they love Steven Seagal so much. :D



Think about it.
 
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