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#21
Connie said:
Buddhism is not a believe. it is a philosophy. That is some thing else...

We had an other discussion here about believe and thats is more worth while.

I am a believer... but i have people at my door, see them on tv... and hear them the radio. What is it whit GOD...He is not fair... I think when you give your live to Him you have not a nice live...every think is for HIM ...what about your family`s... thats more important then GOD.... Are you afraid to live for yourselfs. He can`t do anything for you. When you die on a car accident is it not HIS will. It is a stupid mistake of you or the other car driver.
All the thinks that happend in this world is ower own fault.

Connie
First I'd love to comment on your last line.It's true.All the things that happen in this world is a responsibility of our own(I'm not talking of natural disasters though).If you mean to speak about God's responsibility,his debt is to teach us to love.I'm a non-religious person.I don't follow neither Christianity,neither Judaism,Islam,Buddhism,Hindu or any other religion in particular.But I'm studying all the religions.And they all teach you to love.They all carry a universal message,whether be it Buddhism,or Christianity or elsewhat.
And when you talk about families,speaking in a universal language,this is love,it's in God's language.And you're right,he can't do anything for you.There's a good old Chinese saying,"Give that man a rope,not a fish." He gives you the tool and you learn how to use it.It's your own responsibilty only.
And mistakes that are made by people like a drunk car driver and they live and think of themselves only that moment when they sit at the wheel.And it's their responsibilty there,not God's,when there's a car accident.
And when you say Buddhism is not a belief,I could say the same of any other religious teachings existing in this world.It's a way of life,it's how people should live and what they should always remember.Talk about philosophy?Say Diogen,the ancient Greek philosopher who kept carrying a torch in the daytime seeking a human being.Say Demecrete,the other ancient Greek philosopher who had a ring with a signature "Everything will pass" and when the worst thing happened he was killed by the sorrow and while looking at his ring he discovered another signature on it,it said "And this will pass too."...There's a reason,there's consequence,there's that something else,you say.
 

Wayne

New Member
#22
The Way of Life

Connie said:
I wish i could say my dutch thinks better in englisch.....
I don`t want to tell you that you don`t have to belive... but some thinks are explain by people that learn for it... When GOD is just a good man why don`t HE show Himself to us.....Why must we believe, that He is just like us. We never seen Him.
Why think when you are pray for rain and then He sent rain... The people in Afrcia pray every day for rain... do they get it??? No!!! not a drop. Why... don`t He love them? Are they not His children? Why the pope tell them to not use a condoom? To have more children. All of the children die before they are one year old... Is that the mening of God??? The pope is His disiple and tell us what to do. He give us the word of God. When those people use a condoom they don`t get HIV or Aids... and they live longer.
Why can`t people be homosexual? are they dirty??? No they are good people...why must they be sentence to not normal people... That are words of God and the pope...
Wow... I did never write a long text like this...
But I`ll hope you get my ponit...

i love all people and I am a nice girl and a good mother and a good wife... I don`t believe in this God.. But I`am going to heaven just like you believers...He has a room for me too.
I love you all very much....
See you soon.

Love Connie
It is easy for one to judge how the way the world should be through the filters of beliefs. In order to know the truth of life one has to journey inwards, there are no victims in this world everyone has a choice at every moment; it is a choice that shapes your destiny. God is everywhere and where he is there is light you can see this light in the midst of a war where a Muslim girl gives bread to a Christian girl, or during the 911 the Christian groups went the mosque in Chicago and hold hands around the mosque so that the Muslim can pray. This beauty outshines the horrors of evil in this world. For what you focus on grows, look beyond what your eyes can see and there you will find what you have been searching for.

How you see yourself, is how you see the world.

Love,

Wayne Fonseca
www.dreamlife.biz
"Do what you can, With what you have, Where you are"
 

Fio

New Member
#23
hofmae said:
I asking myself sometimes, why bad things happen? Why must children die? Why we have big problems? But on the other side, this is our work, that we have this problems, not god has done this.

I believe very strong in God, and i'll do always what i can in my life to help people and to be a nice person. I hope God has a place for me in heaven!
That's true hofmae that unfortunately a lot of people asking why some bad things happen with a God of love, but they forget, or maybe don't know, that ALL humans are sinner, same if they never killed someone or other kind of sins they think about. It's not God who has to be blamed for all the bad things, as you say. :)

Hofmae, it's good to help people and to be a nice person, but it's not our acts which save us. ;) We are saved by the God's grace, by the faith in Him. :D
 

Storm

Smile dammit!
#24
The trick is to believe isn't it? He's not going to knock on your door and say,"It's true".
Most religions belive in one God of one type or another,so that much we all have in common. I am a believer,and think if you have led a good life,and can look in the mirror and know you never turned another over, you will be rewarded.
If i am wrong,i await that knock:D

Good posts Wayne,Fio and my old friend Connie.
 

Jules

Potters Clay
#25
Knock Knock......(just kidding!)

Storm said:
The trick is to believe isn't it? He's not going to knock on your door and say,"It's true".
Most religions belive in one God of one type or another,so that much we all have in common. I am a believer,and think if you have led a good life,and can look in the mirror and know you never turned another over, you will be rewarded.
If i am wrong,i await that knock:D

Good posts Wayne,Fio and my old friend Connie.
I thought for a while about your post. This is what came to mind:

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is a gift of God-not by works, so that NO one can boast."
~ Ephesians 2:8-9
These I found: Luke19:10, 1 Peter 1:18-20, 2 Timothy 1:9, and of course... John 3:16-18.
I believe to we will be rewarded for doing good...but not that alone.
 
#27
Im sorry Connie, but you will not go to heaven like you say.
You must first accept that Jesus died on the cross for you and thank him in prayer and accept him into your life.
You deny God, this will not earn you a pass in heaven.
I would like to help you so if you have any questions please feel free to message me.
Ps. i understand the things you are saying but God is greater than your understanding
 

Jules

Potters Clay
#28
FORGIVEN

By: Ruth Bell Graham
(wife of Rev. Billy Graham)

During a heated arguement, one young Bedouin's anger boiled over, and he struck another and killed him.
BEDOUIN is the Aromaic term for "desert dwellers." They live in the Middle East, governing themselves through traditions and customs passed down from the time of Abraham.
The young Bedouin saw his friend lying dead in the sand. Knowing his people's ancient, inflexible customs of swift justice, he fled and ran across the desert under cover of darkness. Finally he came to the sprawling black tent of the tribal chief.
Confessing his crime, he asked for protection and, according to Old Testament law, was granted asylum.
The old chief put his hand on the one of the ropes of the great tent, swore before God and took the young man under his protection--until the affair could be settled legally.
The next day, the young mans pursuers arrived, demanding that the murderer be turned over to them.
"I have given my word," the old chieftain said.
"But you don't know who he killed!" they answered.
"I have given my word."
"He killed your son!"
The chief was shaken. He stood, head bowed, for quite some time. The accused and the accusers looked on breathlessly.
Finally the old man raised his head. He stood upright.
"Then he shall become my son," he said, "and everything I have will one day be his."

So it is with us. Our sins sent God's own Son to the cross. But God in His mercy welcomes us into His family-now and forever.

~Ruth Bell Graham

John 3:16&17
 
#29
wow zookie you tell me that a cant go to heaven. well ok ill go to hell. there we motordrivers and hookers and beer. It is nice and warm.
Well i dont know what you are thinking????`What kind off argument is that ''you don`t go to heaven???" because you say so. You are the gard of heavendsgate? Because i had to see the lights??? is that it? I think this is a needless discussion. I do think, when there is a GOD?? he let everyone live in His paradies.
Well i tell you something. I had worked as an undertaker. I have see a lot of people die. belivers and non-belivers. People who believe thay are afraid to die. do you know why??? because they have SIN. and when you have sin you can`t go to Fathers house. People who are non-belivers they don`t care where they go to. they only wanted to get rest and peace and no pain anymore.
It is not my fault is is dying on that cross. I was`n born at that time.

Come on and get your feet back on the ground. And don`t tell me what to do. Get a life. You are a beliver thats good for you. But don`t tell me what to do.
I have a good life without ur GOD. I respect everyone who belive.

With respect and love.

Connie
 

Kotegashi

Master Of Disaster
Staff member
#30
zookie said:
Im sorry Connie, but you will not go to heaven like you say.
You must first accept that Jesus died on the cross for you and thank him in prayer and accept him into your life.
You deny God, this will not earn you a pass in heaven.
I would like to help you so if you have any questions please feel free to message me.
Ps. i understand the things you are saying but God is greater than your understanding
Man, you're a fanatic. The way you talk you sound no better than a moslim-fanatic. If you would have read the Bible, you would know that God accepts all people, regardless religion, background and all that. That was the reason according to the bible that Jesus died on the cross.

If you are fanatic in converting people to christianity then you really have no idea what christianity is all about.

And if you would open up to the rest of the world and its religions you would see that almost all religions have the same basis.

Leave people to their believes and their lives in their own freedom of thought and live. Don't force your believe onto others, such people aren't usually very welcomed by others.

Peace to all people of all kind and religions.
 

Jules

Potters Clay
#31
Connie said:
wow zookie you tell me that a cant go to heaven. well ok ill go to hell. there we motordrivers and hookers and beer. It is nice and warm.
Well i dont know what you are thinking????`What kind off argument is that ''you don`t go to heaven???" because you say so. You are the gard of heavendsgate? Because i had to see the lights??? is that it? I think this is a needless discussion. I do think, when there is a GOD?? he let everyone live in His paradies.
Well i tell you something. I had worked as an undertaker. I have see a lot of people die. belivers and non-belivers. People who believe thay are afraid to die. do you know why??? because they have SIN. and when you have sin you can`t go to Fathers house. People who are non-belivers they don`t care where they go to. they only wanted to get rest and peace and no pain anymore.
It is not my fault is is dying on that cross. I was`n born at that time.

Come on and get your feet back on the ground. And don`t tell me what to do. Get a life. You are a beliver thats good for you. But don`t tell me what to do.
I have a good life without ur GOD. I respect everyone who belive.

With respect and love.

Connie

Connie,
Don't be angry at Zookie. They should have used the bible to make their point. Zookie is not saying you can not go to heaven. You can. God gave His Son as a sacrifice on the cross for all man kinds sins...not just the generation that witnessed the crucifiction. These verses are very important to make that point: Romans 5:18-19; and 3:10-18.
Gods gift is free. We just need to accept and believe.

Zookie is not the gate-keeper. Jesus is: John:14: 6 Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man come to the Father but through me."

Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."

John 3:16&17 For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall NOT persish but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved.

Titus 2:11-12 "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to ALL men. It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age."

"The Lord is gracious and righteous; our God is full of compassion."~Psalms116:5

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast."~ Ephesians 2:8-9.

No one is going to tell you what to do Cookie. God gave us free will. The right to make our own choices. Anyone tries to judge someone...well... Matthew 7:1-2

I am so VERY thankful I have a loving God who loves me despite myself...my mistakes....everything! He loves us ALL. Example: 2 Timothy: 1:9

submitted with love and respect...
 
#32
No More

Quote:Im sorry Connie, but you will not go to heaven like you say.
You must first accept that Jesus died on the cross for you and thank him in prayer and accept him into your life.


This is what Zookie wrote.

For now I read only the Steven Seagal items that why I come to this forum. When I want to believe ill go to the church.

Love Connie
 
#33
I am curious if I could possibly get everyone to ask theirselves if God exists in reality or is the idea of God just that an idea? I am very curious as to what comes from you pondering this.
 

Jules

Potters Clay
#36
Creator of Heaven and Earth

Purplelotus1 said:
I am curious if I could possibly get everyone to ask theirselves if God exists in reality or is the idea of God just that an idea? I am very curious as to what comes from you pondering this.
Hi Pur,
Sorry to take so long to repy. I have been praying and reading on how I should answer. Your question can not be answered by head knowledge or from the scriptures alone, but it is needed to be answered from the heart also.

I am assuming that by your asking this question that you have an open mind to what other people on this forum believe. I think your question is a VERY good question...and to add to it...why does a person believe the way they do?

To start answering this I feel I should start with what the scriptures say in the bible.
To believe in God starts with FAITH and TRUST.

While surfing the pages of the bible on what to say, these verses I found:

"We walk by faith, not by sight."~ 11 Corinthians 5:7

"So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of God." (the bible) ~ Romans 10:17

"Now faith is assurance of things hoped for, a conviction of things not seen."~Hebrews 11:1

"The fool has said in his heart, "there is no God." ~Psalms 14:1

"The Lord gives wisdom, from His mouth comes knowledge, and understanding."~ Proverbs 2:6

"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths." Proverbs 3: 5&6

"In the beginning God created the heavens and earth." Genesis 1:1

"For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." John 3:16&17

Those are just a few verses I found in my quest to answer your question. On a personal note....How do "I" know if God is an idea or a reality...I look at nature....Gods mighty hand. His handy work is all around us to show that he is real.
Your question makes me think of the wind. I can't see it, smell it, or touch it, but yet I know it is real. You "see" the wind move things like tree branches...but you don't actually see it.
If I was born blind. I wouldn't be able to see the sun, or the clouds...yet they are still there.
I hope and pray that everyday people would see Gods love in my life, my words and my actions. The hard part? Not letting ME get into the way...

God answers prayer. When I read the bible, sometimes I find verses I didn't notice before...verses that are in line with what I am praying about. One of His many ways of answering us.

God has even spared my life and my second child I was pregnant for at the time. One morning I woke with strong burden to pray for my family. I at first shrugged it off and was busy about my day. The more the day progressed, the more the burden was. So...while driving to town I srtarted to pray for my family. Unbeknownst to me, my husband was having the same burden....so he started praying.....in the middle of my prayer a semi started to swerve out of control (my guess he started to fall asleep or day dream off the road) He swerved into my lane then tried to correct himself. Honestly....I don't think in reality a semi full of brand new cars is capable of tipping THAT far over without tipping over. I drove through a cloud of dust while being canopied by new cars.
Weeks earlier we had an incident with my husband. A burden to pray for our family....to make a long story short, my husband fell through the floor to the barn pit. As soon as he hit the floor he rolled because two carts of chickens that were being brought in the barn we setting on that same flooring. The carts got caught on each other and didn't fall through. When he tried to push the carts back up with a loader(one cart weighs approximately 1000 pounds full)....they fell........

I asked Jesus Christ into my heart when I was 11 years old. I put my faith and trust in Him. I can not imagine going through life with out him by my side. He walks with me through the good times and the trials in life. He is my best friend.

This is something you will have to decide on your own.

With love and respect,
Jules
 
#37
Jules, I do appreciate you considering my question and I too am aware of those scriptures and many others but I think the main thing I was trying to get you to look at is do you believe in God because you have been told to from your youth and if by chance you were taught another way and it was not called God then wouldn't you also bellieve that way? And to continue would you equate the natural functions and powers of the earth with a title so that they would be more understandable to you? I am not questioning your faith. I am just trying to find out what is the motivation behind Christianity. And who better to start with than someone witnessing to be Christian
 

Jules

Potters Clay
#38
Some of a person faith is from what they are taught...the rest is from my own quest for truth. To follow what I read in Gods word...the bible. Yes, I have dabbled with with the teachings of other faiths. To me, the bible is Gods manuel for life.
I read where in other faiths they believe in a person who has a birthdate and a date of death. God has no beginning or an end. To follow God I learn more about him in my search for truth, for more information...for the meaning of life. I decided for myself what path to follow...as you and everyone else must do also.

With respect,
Jules
 
#39
Right. I am aware of this. Like I said before I am not questioning your personal belief I am only trying to find out other factors about the whole idea of God or Gods.
 
#40
Can you imagine being somewhere in the world where the concept of God or Gods doesn't exist. Think about going to that place and telling them what you believe and convince them that it is the way they should think when their culture has dictated that this very thing does not exist and the whole idea of God or Gods is just mythology. I imagine it being very difficult to say the least considering it is difficult enough as it is in a culture where we are aware of God and/or Gods. Maybe you could think of it as a Christian walking into a country where they believe the Phoenix is their God and trying to convince them to beleive it isn't true.

I personally believe that we are told from a young age that certain things such as God and the devil is true and that this is the way everyone should believe and as we grow we learn that these things are not necessarily true. I believe we convince ourselves that events in our lives are perpetrated by an all knowing presence when in actuality events happen for other reasons and not because of a God or Gods. This is not something etched in stone for me but it is where I am at right now in my thinking. ***just thought I would share that to explain some of my questions to the readers of this post.***