Submerged - review

Littledragon

Littledragon

Above The Law
Submerged was not a good film!

TDWoj said:
I'm just curious about something, Robert; with Steven being in fewer action scenes, overweight, practically invisible in the shadows, and 80% of his voice dubbed, how, exactly, does this make Submerged a really good Steven Seagal movie? Or is it a good movie because of everything else in it EXCEPT for Steven? And how can this be good, and why is this the direction fans seem to want him to take?

I watch Steven Seagal films to see Steven do his own fight scenes, say his own lines and well, just be able to see him (not to mention have a good storyline, interesting characters and good production values, which the majority of those reviewing said it didn't have).

See, this is what I don't get, and I guess I need someone to explain it to me.

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I totally agree with you TD! It bothers me that people rate this film so high and enjoyed it. What did they enjoy about it? There was 2 little fight scenes, almost over 80% of the movie was dubbed, the story didn't even take place under water in a Submarine for the whole film, and in fake the quality was so poor it was like a computer cartoon animated sea and submarine, a minute of watching that part I thought I was watching Sponge Bob Square Pants. The movie was terrible, and for me seeing members rating it 8/10 that is just insane. I mean if you thought Submerged was a good film to rate it that high what is Above The Law, Marked For Death, Out For Justice, etc... As a Seagal fan I really do not know why people enjoy seeing a film with Seagal doing little or no fighting, not even having the same voice, it just makes no sesne and I am baffled by it.
 
Littledragon

Littledragon

Above The Law
_Steven Seagal_ said:
I saw "Submerged" in German yesterday. And i really loved this movie. The Story ist good and Seagal looked better than in BotB or ItS. The two fight-scenes were very good and the other action sequences too.
I think, Seagal is on the right path. And I hope, that Today You Die will be better.

8/10
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Did I miss something here? :D

I mean did we see the same film??
 
Littledragon

Littledragon

Above The Law
latinojazz said:
Submerged is the best step forward to Steven career and obviolusly, his best DTV film:

1-The intro is original:¨....I order, you obey...¨
2-The music is very proffesional not as Out for a kill that is a ****
3-Steven is not the producer-Good point at this time
4-The cast is really good(Vinnie Jones,the big colonel of the big boat, the black girl...etc) and the money is well distribuited in the photography, etc
5-The movie is enjoyable and that´s very important to the audience.As Steven fan, I missed more time for him,but his fights are good, specially with the black¨tower¨guy with his black suit.
6-Steven share the action to another guys and then results an almost non stop-action nice.

The only bad thing are the overdubbings.But the movie looks almost as a big budget movie.Not original, but a really good flick to buy or rent.

Love, guys
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Did you see the parts when they showed the computer/cartoon animated submarine and the fake ocean at night.. :rolleyes:
 
Littledragon

Littledragon

Above The Law
SweetChinMusic said:
I finally got a chance to watch the movie a few days ago, I dont even know what to say. It was bad, very bad. It's not worth my time writing the same stuff thats already been said. Im just feeling real sad right now, its a real shame that Seagal has become the man he is today.
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I agree with you on the movie part, it was a really bad movie, I am glad the majority of the members agree with that, it is just some members worship this film lol. :D
 
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Serena

Administrator
Littledragon said:
....it is just some members worship this film lol. :D
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Again such misuse of this word. :rolleyes: Some people confuse "worship" with "individual preference" or "personal choice". ;)
 
TDWoj

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
Serena said:
I guess I'm just curious about something, TD. ;) How do you know all this when you haven't seen the movie yet--and said you wouldn't spend your money on it? :D Just taking some peoples' word for it? :confused: :eek: :D
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"Taking people's word for it".

Hmm. If every single one of the reviews, good or bad, say his voice is dubbed for the majority of the movie, I suppose I should assume that they have all been collectively hypnotised and that this is in fact not true.

"The best thing in it is Vinnie Jones."

Hmm. If the majority of the reviews agree that the best thing in the movie is NOT Steven Seagal, what is there to recommend this film to me?

I observe that those that sing the highest prasies of the film still apologise for the lousy effects, the lack of action scenes that Steven is in, the fact that he's dubbed... "except for all that it was a great film".

Um. No.
 
Littledragon

Littledragon

Above The Law
TDWoj said:
"Taking people's word for it".

Hmm. If every single one of the reviews, good or bad, say his voice is dubbed for the majority of the movie, I suppose I should assume that they have all been collectively hypnotised and that this is in fact not true.

"The best thing in it is Vinnie Jones."

Hmm. If the majority of the reviews agree that the best thing in the movie is NOT Steven Seagal, what is there to recommend this film to me?

I observe that those that sing the highest prasies of the film still apologise for the lousy effects, the lack of action scenes that Steven is in, the fact that he's dubbed... "except for all that it was a great film".

Um. No.
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I applaud to that statement TD!! I agree with you!

The film was not good, not worthy, and if people think this Vinnie Jones boy was so good, what does that have to do with Seagal or the film. :rolleyes:
 
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Serena

Administrator
TDWoj said:
"Taking people's word for it".

Hmm. If every single one of the reviews, good or bad, say his voice is dubbed for the majority of the movie, I suppose I should assume that they have all been collectively hypnotised and that this is in fact not true.

"The best thing in it is Vinnie Jones."

Hmm. If the majority of the reviews agree that the best thing in the movie is NOT Steven Seagal, what is there to recommend this film to me?

I observe that those that sing the highest prasies of the film still apologise for the lousy effects, the lack of action scenes that Steven is in, the fact that he's dubbed... "except for all that it was a great film".

Um. No.
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So, in other words, still not planning to see it based on other peoples' reviews, eh? ;) :D
 
TDWoj

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
Serena said:
So, in other words, still not planning to see it based on other peoples' reviews, eh? ;) :D
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I have other things to do with my time, and other things I can buy with the five bucks it'll cost to rent it.

If I'm flush with cash later on this year or there's 90 minutes I don't have something else more constructive to do, I might sit down and watch it.
 
Nick

Nick

The Writer
Serena you might never understand me or TD. Because we have different sets of minds. We do not think alike. Writers are different species. We do lots of research before we buy/rent/even watch a Film on TV for example. And this is exactly what TD has done. And if every Review stated the same things you more or less begin to believe that. No this isn't me being naive. I am still open minded but when I will finally see this Film I am sure I will agree with these points to some degree. You have to remember that Negative and Positive Reviews stated the same thing.

But once again while I read a lot of Reviews I often do not agree with them. I do not follow people like Roger Ebert and his leech assistant Roeper. I always trust my own judgment.

Wouldn't it be amusing if Steven in a few years after making a comeback would look back at these Releases and call them trash. Then most of these defenders would finally agree. With his permission of course.

P.S I understand I could purchase this film right now for $30. This would just fuel Steven to make more films like this. Or maybe give him some pocket money for his leather coat dry cleaning bill or maybe buy him some snacks. But me and TD are not rich. I feel like I can speak for her in regards to this issue. What I have for example in a pen, yellow pad, and a lap top. I cannot live the lavish bourgeois lifestyle where I can allow myself to spend my minimum savings on stuff like this. If I do spend $30 on a film it's a Special Edition. Last movie I bought was Christopher Nolan's Memento. I don't quite see myself paying so much for a film like Submerged. It would look out of place on my shelf.

The bargain bill actually sorry it's a wall now should have this film for $6 very soon. So expect a Review in near future.
 
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Serena

Administrator
Littledragon said:
So you didn't like it.... Either did I Serena, either did I. :D
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You are so cute, Littledragon. :D You always want everyone to hate the movies you did. ;)
Remember Belly of the Beast? :D

I never said I didn't like it, did I? ;) I said it wasn't one of my favorites. :D But then, neither were any of his earlier movies, like Above the Law, Out for Justice, etc. :indiffere. Although they were okay and I did not dislike them, they were not my top favorites. That would include a few others, but GlimmerMan has been and still is my favorite. :) With The Patriot up there in the top 5. :eek: Yes, you heard me. :D LOLOL
 
Robert P. Olsson

Robert P. Olsson

BigBellyFilm
Let me explain...

TDWoj said:
I'm just curious about something, Robert; with Steven being in fewer action scenes, overweight, practically invisible in the shadows, and 80% of his voice dubbed, how, exactly, does this make Submerged a really good Steven Seagal movie? Or is it a good movie because of everything else in it EXCEPT for Steven? And how can this be good, and why is this the direction fans seem to want him to take?

I watch Steven Seagal films to see Steven do his own fight scenes, say his own lines and well, just be able to see him (not to mention have a good storyline, interesting characters and good production values, which the majority of those reviewing said it didn't have).

See, this is what I don't get, and I guess I need someone to explain it to me.

:(
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Okay, I agree with you in almost everything you say. Of course I hate the V.O. and that he ain't fighting so much anymore. But there is so much negativity going on here right now so some of us must keep the spirit up. :whazzup:
Still I think it's a pretty good actionmovie. It's sure as hell no Seagalmovie. But there is some good actors and I find the storyline pretty good. And it's packed with action.

As for the "Voice Over-part" I must say as an struggling actor I can't understand why anybody leaves movieprojekt before they are done. I would never do that. You stay put till it's all done and then move on.

Hope I make more sence this time... :D
 
Robert P. Olsson

Robert P. Olsson

BigBellyFilm
Serena said:
I guess I'm just curious about something, TD. ;) How do you know all this when you haven't seen the movie yet--and said you wouldn't spend your money on it? :D Just taking some peoples' word for it? :confused: :eek: :D

Hey, Robert. :) Good to see you back! Nice review. :)
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Thank's... :D
I try... But when Steven gets deeper in the DTV-hole it's hard being a fan. :confused:
 
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