GlimmerMan
Huge Member
Jesus - it's a movie. It's fiction. Not enough people are going to see it to pass judgement on Uruguay anyway. Besides, the movie was shot in Bulgaria. Cheap and nasty.
Submerged - review
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Nick
The Writer
I actually visited Bulgaria twice. Sure it is a country that isn't doing so well ala Cuba. But it doesn't mean its not a lovely place. Very nice people and just a great tourist location. When I visited it the second time around the tourism caused some problems in my opinion. I always tended to like that while it was a tourist spot it was a secluded one. My parents have been planning to going to Cuba for a while so if it happens soon I will enjoy a nice cigar and a ride in 50's vehicle. Since there's little progress its as if you are living in the vintage past. Very lovely atmosphere.
My favorite teacher in High School was also from Bulgaria. Very wise man through a bit self centered like myself. Passed on a lot of knowledge on to me.
My favorite teacher in High School was also from Bulgaria. Very wise man through a bit self centered like myself. Passed on a lot of knowledge on to me.
Deadlyforce
New Member
Hi !
Just wanted to give my opinion about "Submerged".
I don't have the time to write a big complex review of the movie so I'll be straightforward. But first, just so you know how I feel about his previous last movies here is my evaluation (I didn't watch all of them) :
Exit Wounds : 6/10
The Foreigner : 3/10
Half Past Dead : 0/10
Out For A Kill : 1/10
Into The Sun : 1/10
Obviously Submerged is not so bad comparing to the other Seagal movies since Exit Wounds.
The directing is decent, and very unusual, the two fight scenes with Steven are correct. I mean Seagal is too big these times, he has 15 kilos to loose and we are not sure if he is still able to move his arms. But the action seems fast and powerful, and this is far less ridiculous than in the previous movies. Average directing is better than no directing at all.
The SFX are of course ridiculous but with a little effort and the pleasure to see Steven in a new movie it is possible to forget it.
The acting is good except Steven himself. I mean, everyone knows that he is not really an actor but in the past days he's been able to make us think the contrary. Remember Under Siege 1...It seems he's so big know that he can't even move his lips. Very strange. Very sad.
The plot is a little pointless but I can buy it.
Final judgement :
SUBMERGED : 4/10
Definitely the best since Exit Wounds. But still no reason to clap...
Steven is too fat. He should seriously consider loosing some weight.
He should also consider working with a true director. Here are some ideas of mine : Ringo Lam, Philippe Martinez(Wake Of Death), Louis Morneau(Hitcher II), Zack Snyder(Army Of The Dead), Kurt Wimmer (Equilibrium)...etc
Another thing that makes me nervous while watching his last movies is : when will we have a true charismatic bad guy like in Under Siege 1,2 and Fire Down Below ?
By the way I don't really understand it when people say : "Steven is old now, he is a bedridden actor so don't expect him to do martial arts anymore. Enjoy it when he has success at moving one harm once in a movie". Or something similar...
Because I will shock you people but he's only 54 years old !! We're in the year 2005 and 54 years old is nothing these days if you take a little care of your body and health. Watch Jackie Chan (51 years old), watch Jet Lee (42 years old), Van Damme etc...
Just wanted to give my opinion about "Submerged".
I don't have the time to write a big complex review of the movie so I'll be straightforward. But first, just so you know how I feel about his previous last movies here is my evaluation (I didn't watch all of them) :
Exit Wounds : 6/10
The Foreigner : 3/10
Half Past Dead : 0/10
Out For A Kill : 1/10
Into The Sun : 1/10
Obviously Submerged is not so bad comparing to the other Seagal movies since Exit Wounds.
The directing is decent, and very unusual, the two fight scenes with Steven are correct. I mean Seagal is too big these times, he has 15 kilos to loose and we are not sure if he is still able to move his arms. But the action seems fast and powerful, and this is far less ridiculous than in the previous movies. Average directing is better than no directing at all.
The SFX are of course ridiculous but with a little effort and the pleasure to see Steven in a new movie it is possible to forget it.
The acting is good except Steven himself. I mean, everyone knows that he is not really an actor but in the past days he's been able to make us think the contrary. Remember Under Siege 1...It seems he's so big know that he can't even move his lips. Very strange. Very sad.
The plot is a little pointless but I can buy it.
Final judgement :
SUBMERGED : 4/10
Definitely the best since Exit Wounds. But still no reason to clap...
Steven is too fat. He should seriously consider loosing some weight.
He should also consider working with a true director. Here are some ideas of mine : Ringo Lam, Philippe Martinez(Wake Of Death), Louis Morneau(Hitcher II), Zack Snyder(Army Of The Dead), Kurt Wimmer (Equilibrium)...etc
Another thing that makes me nervous while watching his last movies is : when will we have a true charismatic bad guy like in Under Siege 1,2 and Fire Down Below ?
By the way I don't really understand it when people say : "Steven is old now, he is a bedridden actor so don't expect him to do martial arts anymore. Enjoy it when he has success at moving one harm once in a movie". Or something similar...
Because I will shock you people but he's only 54 years old !! We're in the year 2005 and 54 years old is nothing these days if you take a little care of your body and health. Watch Jackie Chan (51 years old), watch Jet Lee (42 years old), Van Damme etc...
aikidoboynj
"Lookin fit Nelson"
Deadlyforce said:Hi !
Just wanted to give my opinion about "Submerged".
I don't have the time to write a big complex review of the movie so I'll be straightforward. But first, just so you know how I feel about his previous last movies here is my evaluation (I didn't watch all of them) :
Exit Wounds : 6/10
The Foreigner : 3/10
Half Past Dead : 0/10
Out For A Kill : 1/10
Into The Sun : 1/10
Obviously Submerged is not so bad comparing to the other Seagal movies since Exit Wounds.
The directing is decent, and very unusual, the two fight scenes with Steven are correct. I mean Seagal is too big these times, he has 15 kilos to loose and we are not sure if he is still able to move his arms. But the action seems fast and powerful, and this is far less ridiculous than in the previous movies. Average directing is better than no directing at all.
The SFX are of course ridiculous but with a little effort and the pleasure to see Steven in a new movie it is possible to forget it.
The acting is good except Steven himself. I mean, everyone knows that he is not really an actor but in the past days he's been able to make us think the contrary. Remember Under Siege 1...It seems he's so big know that he can't even move his lips. Very strange. Very sad.
The plot is a little pointless but I can buy it.
Final judgement :
SUBMERGED : 4/10
Definitely the best since Exit Wounds. But still no reason to clap...
Steven is too fat. He should seriously consider loosing some weight.
He should also consider working with a true director. Here are some ideas of mine : Ringo Lam, Philippe Martinez(Wake Of Death), Louis Morneau(Hitcher II), Zack Snyder(Army Of The Dead), Kurt Wimmer (Equilibrium)...etc
Another thing that makes me nervous while watching his last movies is : when will we have a true charismatic bad guy like in Under Siege 1,2 and Fire Down Below ?
By the way I don't really understand it when people say : "Steven is old now, he is a bedridden actor so don't expect him to do martial arts anymore. Enjoy it when he has success at moving one harm once in a movie". Or something similar...
Because I will shock you people but he's only 54 years old !! We're in the year 2005 and 54 years old is nothing these days if you take a little care of your body and health. Watch Jackie Chan (51 years old), watch Jet Lee (42 years old), Van Damme etc...
I agree with your post, deadly. I can't justify him being 54 years old as the sole reason why everything has went downhill. I had no idea Jackie Chan was 51, the stuff he pulls off is amazing. Maybe they'll hang out one day since they are pals and some of Jackie's energy will rub off on Seagal and he'll put in some more effort on and off the screen.
kirinkat-2005
KirinKat
Movie Review Thread, right? Ok, I see alot of critical, disappointing, hurtful lyrics going on here. I know these are only peoples opinions, but what happened to this site, back in 2003, 2004, and even earlier this year? What great information and Systematic feature representation. I am 49, Steven is 54, Jet Li is 42, whatever....it's how you feel; and SS is still great, no matter what. Hey, I thought everyone needed to lose a little weight when they near age 50, right? I resemble that remark! Age is just a state of mind anyway.
Littledragon
Above The Law
kirinkat-2005 said:
How do you know what happened to the site back then if you just joined here a couple weeks ago??
GlimmerMan
Huge Member
Littledragon said:
What a truly excellent question, Littledragon. I await a reply, hopefully in a neutral colour.
GMan
tenshinaikidoka
Martial Art Student
Why are people so preoccupied with a script which would include people of a certain country as criminals or (bad people). It is make beleive and we all know this. It certainly isn't done to degrade any particular country. It is for entertainment. Simply and purely. So I guess True Lies (starring Arnold the Governator) should really upset all the muslims since it depicts them as terrorists? Come on folks, it is not about a country and it is not personal. They are movies and are for entertainment. When did we all become so politically correct that we should never talk or have any entertainment making sure no one is offended by what is a fictional story placed on a screen for viewing pleasure. If you do not like his movies then do not rent or buy them. Why is this so hard to understand!!!!! I am mad becasue I am a white man and I can't jump, so I am going after Wesley Snipes for making the world aware of this!!!!
tenshinaikidoka
Martial Art Student
Oh yeah, I personally thought that Into The Sun was superior in everyway to Submerged, but this is my opinion. I also thought Into The Sun was the best work since, well, a long long time!!!
GlimmerMan
Huge Member
Submerged is out here on Monday. Until then you can await my review with baited breath...
GlimmerMan
Huge Member
Well - I just got done watching Submerged. I'm sorry to say it, but it's a bit rubbish, really.
The opening sequence with the recon plane was like something from Thunderbirds and from then on it just got worse. Seagal seemed to be trying his hardest, but the voice dubbing really was poor and it annoyed me intensely. I didn't notice much usage of stunt doubles, which is a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned, but then again, there wasn't really much call for stunt doubles, seeing as Seagal only had to fight on two occasions, the first of which in the sub kitchen was OK, but what was the "co*ksucker mother fu*ker!" bit all about?! The second fight where Seagal fought the huge black guy was OK but a bit short and edited too fast. Even the part at the end where Seagal boots the guy through the glass looked like it actually was Seagal doing the high pushing front kick. So - the fights get the thumbs up at least, but the rest of the movie looked cheap and nasty. The introductions of the other guys in Seagal's 'team' was unintentionally hilarious. Forget character development - let's just give them a few lines of text listing their nicknames and their special skills. The best thing about this movie was Vinnie Jones. He had the best one-liners, he looked cool, he had some good hand to hand fights, he was fu*king hard and his voice wasn't dubbed once. In short he was everything that Seagal used to be. "Ticket please?" WHACK! "There's my facking ticket!" Hahahahaha! 2/10 for this one, I'm afraid. Must try harder. I have spent £12.99 on a movie which I won't watch again. I think I'll go and watch Marked For Death now and remember the good old days.
GMan (disappointed)
The opening sequence with the recon plane was like something from Thunderbirds and from then on it just got worse. Seagal seemed to be trying his hardest, but the voice dubbing really was poor and it annoyed me intensely. I didn't notice much usage of stunt doubles, which is a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned, but then again, there wasn't really much call for stunt doubles, seeing as Seagal only had to fight on two occasions, the first of which in the sub kitchen was OK, but what was the "co*ksucker mother fu*ker!" bit all about?! The second fight where Seagal fought the huge black guy was OK but a bit short and edited too fast. Even the part at the end where Seagal boots the guy through the glass looked like it actually was Seagal doing the high pushing front kick. So - the fights get the thumbs up at least, but the rest of the movie looked cheap and nasty. The introductions of the other guys in Seagal's 'team' was unintentionally hilarious. Forget character development - let's just give them a few lines of text listing their nicknames and their special skills. The best thing about this movie was Vinnie Jones. He had the best one-liners, he looked cool, he had some good hand to hand fights, he was fu*king hard and his voice wasn't dubbed once. In short he was everything that Seagal used to be. "Ticket please?" WHACK! "There's my facking ticket!" Hahahahaha! 2/10 for this one, I'm afraid. Must try harder. I have spent £12.99 on a movie which I won't watch again. I think I'll go and watch Marked For Death now and remember the good old days.
GMan (disappointed)
kirinkat-2005
KirinKat
Thanks for the information Glimm, that's what I was looking for, just to see what the tabloids were saying was true. I couldn't believe when I read the reviews and critics remarks, saying it was cheap, unreal and not much one on one equal fighting. I know we've all been awaiting to watch these movies, and since I don't get TV, or Cable Network; I wait for the DVD to come out for rental. I think I'll pass on this one, and just catch on collecting my mia's (earlier SS DVD's). I still don't have them all; by way of losing 1/2 of them to a fire last year. The collection ravels on. KK
Rob O'Brain
SYSTEM HAS FAILED...
I quite liked this movie, but detected that Steven Seagal's voice was being dubbed by another human. This upset me.
RoboBrain
RoboBrain
GlimmerMan
Huge Member
kirinkat-2005 said:
KirinKat - I would say it's a smart move collecting his earlier movies rather than his latest ones. Sorry to say it, but the later movies pale in comparison. So much so, that I'm thinking of selling them on eBay. They look a bit sad in my DVD collection, to tell the truth. Marked For Death had a lower budget than Submerged and is ten times better.
Rob O'Brain said:
Jesus Christ! Hahahahahahahahaha!!!
Later alligator.
GMan
Nick
The Writer
I might buy them off your hands for a nickel and a dime Don't blame you through. I mean its becoming quite sad. I watched Out For Justice last night and was reminded of the true Seagal. These latest Films just seem to lower my opinion of him. That's why I am staying away from Submerged. Today Your Die actually looks decent.
Don't blame you through. I mean its becoming quite sad. I watched Out For Justice last night and was reminded of the true Seagal. These latest Films just seem to lower my opinion of him. That's why I am staying away from Submerged. Today Your Die actually looks decent.
aikidoboynj
"Lookin fit Nelson"
Yeah I haven't bought any of the DTV's I am not tarnishing my DVD collection...
Above The Law
Marked For Death
Out For Justice
Hard To Kill
Under Siege
Under Siege 2
Exit Wounds
Maybe I'll add on deadly ground to that or possibly maybe just maybe glimmer man...
Those are the real Seagal movies, the others almost seem like they are purposely TRYING to make Seagal look like he is a fake or a has been...
My advice stick with my list and dont be disapointed!
Above The Law
Marked For Death
Out For Justice
Hard To Kill
Under Siege
Under Siege 2
Exit Wounds
Maybe I'll add on deadly ground to that or possibly maybe just maybe glimmer man...
Those are the real Seagal movies, the others almost seem like they are purposely TRYING to make Seagal look like he is a fake or a has been...
My advice stick with my list and dont be disapointed!
Fio
New Member
I watched 'Submerged' this afternoon. I'm surprised to see how different we all can be. 
I've to admit that for me, I prefer 'Submerged' that 'Into The Sun', much easier to understand, in my opinion. The only thing that I regret in that one, it's that Steven not use Aikido as much as in some other of his movies. But except this detail, I really like 'Submerged'
I've to admit that for me, I prefer 'Submerged' that 'Into The Sun', much easier to understand, in my opinion. The only thing that I regret in that one, it's that Steven not use Aikido as much as in some other of his movies. But except this detail, I really like 'Submerged'