Was Seagal Really That Tough?
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mindisamirror
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marky96 said:
Seagal actually did his own fights in his latest picture, Mercenary For Justice, even if they weren't quite as intense or plentiful as in Out For Justice or On Deadly Ground. Seagal's over-use of stunt doubles in most of his recent movies is probably due mostly to a lack of interest in the projects, or maybe it's just that the producers don't want to spend the money on insurance for a project that puts their lead actor in harm's way.
From what I saw in Mercenary For Justice, incoherent and silly as the movie was, Seagal still makes for a credible badass in a fight scene. After all, he was never really the spinning-back-kick type to begin with.
ORANGATUANG
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mindisamirror said:
Fair enough he might not do many kickass scenes now but he is still good at what he does..
DRAGONKING
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The whole "Seagal-LeBell" incident took place on the set of Marked for Death, not Under Seige. I have an interview with LeBell where he says there is no truth to the rumors, and that he thinks very highly of Seagal. Like all gossip in tinsletown, this so called story was blown out of proportion. At the time, Seagal was the new big thing and the press were desperately looking for any stories to print about him. There you go!
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"What am I, a Sh*t Magnet?"
ORANGATUANG
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You mean they want to find out any little bit of scandal they can get..well i have news for those jerks and its all bad...
Littledragon
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DRAGONKING said:
Thanks for clearing that up, never knew if it was true or not. People who said it was during Under Siege were mistaken because during that time in 1991 LeBell was on the set of Brandon Lee's film, Rapid Fire.
I live in Wichita, KS. Five big-named martial artists here, including John Carpenter of Carpenter Karate, once got together and made Seagal an offer. Pick any one of us to spar, and if you win, we'll give you one million dollars. Seagal turned them down. Does that mean he can't fight? Does that mean he was afraid? No. It likely means that he has no need to prove himself or that he didn't want to participate in this lame publicity stunt. For my own part (and I have studied several martial arts), it is obvious that Seagal is a great martial artist. One can tell just by watching his films. He choreographs his own fight scenes, which are brief and brutal. He says that he just looks at the situation and asks himself what he would do in real life. This is why his fight scenes are practical, not long, drawn-out, and unrealistic like most high-flying martial arts fights.
Littledragon
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charles said:
I have never heard of John Carpenter, Seagal would kill a white boy Karate instructor any day. Kind of remnids me of Karate instructors challenging Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fighters and the BJJ guys take the Karate guys down and submit them.
ShotoScorpion
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Do you not realize that the man is a 7th Dan MASTER of Aikido? Even though the art is a traditional one, Seagal has learned its practical applications, hence the term "aggressive Aikido". Competative Karate instructors tend to be arrogant, and believe that they can beat anyone down, when in actuality their art is equally traditional in many ways. Honestly, LD is right about the jujitsu grapplers. If you take a karate-ka off of their feet, they will likely lose the battle. I know this, because I practised Shotokan for 8 years. Obviously, Seagal is very good at taking people off their feet. I honestly can't stand most western karate schools who place competition and showmanship over the true essence of the art.
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I have been looking into this, because I was watching UFC, and there was a mention by the commentors, of Steven being choked out by Gene. So far it apparently happened on three different movies. Out for Justic, Under seige, and now, Marked for death. If it did, I don't feel it matters, and I am not going to judge who was the good guy or bady guy, because those ideas are not how people really are. Life is here for us to experience phases and realities and states of mind, and alot of people have alot of different ideas of how someone should behave. If it did happen and Gene isn't bragging about it, then that is grace. I see how people, even martial artists, love to tell these stories, and tell how someone is not as tough as they say or think they are, or that they are jerks in personaility. This keeps us trapped in this social cycle. It also conveys a more combative, ego based type of martial arts. I would agree that someone turning down a fight, sets them out of the cycle, if the reason they turned it down, is not out of some type of fear, bu that they don't wish to express themselves in that ego type manner. But whatever it may be is alright, it is life, and it is too short to think what other people think matters.
I have been looking into this, because I was watching UFC, and there was a mention by the commentors, of Steven being choked out by Gene. So far it apparently happened on three different movies. Out for Justic, Under seige, and now, Marked for death. If it did, I don't feel it matters, and I am not going to judge who was the good guy or bady guy, because those ideas are not how people really are. Life is here for us to experience phases and realities and states of mind, and alot of people have alot of different ideas of how someone should behave. If it did happen and Gene isn't bragging about it, then that is grace. I see how people, even martial artists, love to tell these stories, and tell how someone is not as tough as they say or think they are, or that they are jerks in personaility. This keeps us trapped in this social cycle. It also conveys a more combative, ego based type of martial arts. I would agree that someone turning down a fight, sets them out of the cycle, if the reason they turned it down, is not out of some type of fear, bu that they don't wish to express themselves in that ego type manner. But whatever it may be is alright, it is life, and it is too short to think what other people think matters.
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