Discussion in 'Martial Arts' started by Littledragon, Feb 21, 2004.
That was fantastic, I couldnt have said it better than that! *Applaud*
O'Sensei would think the attacker falling and hence
the attacker would fall
No need to use physical moves to do this
O'Sensei is the best martial artist in our time
Bong Soo Han and Tom Laughlin would have done it better
In fact, "Billy Jack" films were on the screen long before Bruce Lee's movies came into existence
Bruce never bad-mouthed aikido
Steven Seagal stated this about Bruce Lee's awareness of aikido
I'd agree with you on your statement Littledragon
Steven Seagal's extemnsive knowledge of internal energies would dislocate the UFC fighter's leg or arm joints and render their hits and kicks harmless in a real street fight, not to mention limit the UFC fighter's range of movement
Jet Li would paralyze those UFC fighters in pressure points on their bodies with careful placement of acupuncture needles, as Jet Li displayed in his movie "Kiss of the Dragon"
I didn't see that show, but
Did you see the Arsenio Hall show with Jeff Speakman appearing
Arsenio asked Jeff Speakman this question, "Who would win in a real fight between yourself, VanDamme, and Seagal ?"
Jeff Speakman replied with this statement, "You put me on the spot. All i can say is, all of these people are martial artists and you have to respect that"
On Latenight with Conan O'Brien, Conan asked Chuck Norris, "Could you beat Steven Seagal in a fight ?"
Chuck Norris replied to Conan, "Let's get Steven Seagal and me in a the ring and find out what happens ?"
I can't remember which talk show this was (David Letterman, Arsenio Hall, Jay Leno, or Conan O'Brien, but the talk show host inquired of Jean Claude VanDamme, "could you beat Steven Seagal in a fight ?"
VanDamme laughed and replied, " You have to ask him that ?"
I think Jeff Speakman's reply was the most curteous and respectful answer out all of these actors i've mentioned concerning Steven Seagal
Speakman is a top man,very talented. He handled them sticks in Perfect Weapon,great.
I'm suprised that JefF speakman vanished from the public eye so quickly. His first film did well at the boxoffice and he received fairly decent reviews as to his fighting presence on film. He also has the look of a leading man and appeared on a number of talk shows to promote himself so I find it odd that his career did evolve further.
Personally I would say that Chuck Norris is one of the few true fighters out of the selections that other people posted although I did not find his films nor some of his fight choreography that entertaining.
As Suziwong stated, Jackie Chan is funny and likeable although I do not care too much for his films. Likewise, I find Sammo Hung likeable with some interesting staged fights.
I remember watching Jaguar Lives with Joe Lewis and found the fighting scenes well done.
As for Steven Seagal, I think that Above the Law had the best fighting sequences of all his films. He was also in good shape and moved quite fluidly.
Jean Claude Van Damme
I recently saw Tony Jaa in The Protector (USA title) and thought some of the early fights scenes were creative. He does pattern a lot of the fight scenes/ acrobatics on Jackie Chan, without the comedic touches. I haven't seen the rest of the movie as it is on a two part vcd a friend gave me.
I don't know if he is an actual Thai fighter/ competitior, but some of the choreography was well done. His previous picture Ong Bak had far too much sped sequences and wire work for my tastes ( I grew up on Bruce Lee movies), and I thought the fighting went on way too long.
Most of the new crop of MA films tend to have a great deal of what I call comic book type and fantasy fighting, which may appeal to some (especially children) but I find it silly and unentertainig. It also removes a serious element from the film.
Ljuba Vracarevic, then Steven Seagal.
One is behind the public eye and the other have publicity
Maybe you knew this old story, but i'll put it here anyway. Good to read again.
A young boy traveled across Japan to the school of a famous martial artist. When he arrived at the dojo he was given an audience by the Sensei
"What do you wish from me?" the master asked.
"I wish to be your student and become the finest kareteka in the land," the boy replied. "How long must I study?"
"Ten years at least," the master answered.
"Ten years is a long time," said the boy. "What if I studied twice as hard as all your other students?"
"Twenty years," replied the master.
"Twenty years! What if I practice day and night with all my effort?"
"Thirty years," was the master's reply.
"How is it that each time I say I will work harder, you tell me that it will take longer?" the boy asked.
"The answer is clear. When one eye is fixed upon your destination, there is only one eye left with which to find the Way."
The BEST fight scene in a martial arts film that I've seen in a LONG time is in Sha Po Lang (a.k.a. Killzone), and is between Donnie Yen and Sammo Hung. Check it out and look for Donnie Yen's mad skills. The seen where he fights the knife-wielding assassin with a police baton was mostly improvised, and is simply jaw-dropping.
There was no wire work in either Ong Bak or Tom Yum Goong (The Protector), it was all done for real. Jaa is a truly astonishing performer. How he'd stack up in real competition i'm unsure, but he's amazing to watch.
Maestro Andrea Lupo Sinclair and Maestro Paul MacDonald
2 great masters and the best teachers i have come across in western martial arts
The best martial artists in the world are probably the ones least known by the general public. These masters will generally not want to be known, but will only care about constant training and honing of their technique. They will also be the keepers of the secrets of true Budo. However, it is my opinion that of the old school martial artists, Master Ueshiba and Master Takeda were in a league of their own.
" Do not look upon this world with fear and loathing. Bravely face whatever the Gods offer."
i agree with dragonking, i get the impression that this thread should be 'best on-screen eastern martial artists' judging by the majority of answers
jean-claude van damme
take care steven seagalfan
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