Anthony Anderson (Exit Wounds) charged with rape.

[yudansha]

"This thread? A thread about an alleged rapist and blondes? NEXT THREAD"

That's not what I mean, Julie. (I think I forgot to check my calendar )

To stick on topic, I'd like to think that it's some sort of money extortion thing against Anthony Anderson. Anyways, I think Storm said it best... if Anderson did it, he should get what's coming to him.

 

[Jules]

Nothing Reservoir Dog

What's wrong with this thread? Despite the fact it went off topic and I have no idea what is going on.

Blondes do not think. Blondes do not know how to say stop? Was the accuser even a blonde?

 

[Reservoir Dog]

Blondes do not think. Blondes do not know how to say stop? Was the accuser even a blonde?

I am sure he was only joking. Anyway, who knows if the girl accusing Anderson is a blonde.This kind of thing does tend to happen a lot. Michael Jackson and the accused sexual charges, Kobe Bryant, Mike Tyson, our own Steven Seagal, and now Anderson. He wont be the first, and certainly not the last. This kind of thing is hard to prove, it is one persons word against anothers.

 

[Jalu]

Yeah....and even Governor Arnie.

 

[Serena]

What I find disturbing is that because of a handful of cases like those, most of which have still yet to be proven one way or the other, nowadays it seems as if the woman is now automatically assumed to be the instigator, or that it's her fault it happened, or that she's doing it for money or publicity. I find this train of thought rather alarming, myself.

 

[Reservoir Dog]

Yeah....and even Governor Arnie.

Yes! I forgot about him. It is suspicious these women wait years to come forward.

 

[yudansha]

Serena, not automatically...

What's automatic is the arrest. They don't arrest for lying or deception. The person who shows up in the negative light 'automatically' is the one who is arrested for supposedly breaking the law. "Innocent until proven guilty" is just an expression, but with humans, it's all emotional and any suspect is deemed guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Serena]

What's automatic is the arrest. They don't arrest for lying or deception. The person who shows up in the negative light 'automatically' is the one who is arrested for supposedly breaking the law. "Innocent until proven guilty" is just an expression, but with humans, it's all emotional and any suspect is deemed guilty until proven innocent.

Yudansha--that's not at all what I'm speaking of. I'm talking about the general public's viewpoint. Some of which we've seen here. No, he was not automatically assumed guilty by everyone because he was arrested. Some automatically assumed she had it coming or made up the whole thing. See my point?

 

[katw_03]

Julie & Yudansha

Hey Julie, come on now! It was a general statement regarding a stereotype. It doesn't mean that it applies to you. Why 'next thread' ?? ... THIS THREAD, THIS THREAD

I started this intending it to be funny.
I didn't think it would be taken seriously I'm Sorry
Now make up you two!

 

[Jules]

Ditto!

What I find disturbing is that because of a handful of cases like those, most of which have still yet to be proven one way or the other, nowadays it seems as if the woman is now automatically assumed to be the instigator, or that it's her fault it happened, or that she's doing it for money or publicity. I find this train of thought rather alarming, myself.

I feel the same way.

 

[Serena]

I feel the same way.

Thank you, Julie. I take this matter very seriously.

 

[yudansha]

"See my point?"

I see your point.

"Some automatically assumed she had ... made up the whole thing."

The key word is "some" ... if it was most, the bail would be set at a much lower value, and so much of a big deal would not be made out of it. See my point?

 

[Serena]

I see your point.

"Some automatically assumed she had ... made up the whole thing."

The key word is "some" ... if it was most, the bail would be set at a much lower value, and so much of a big deal would not be made out of it. See my point?

I see what you're saying, yudansha. But I'm not, nor have I been, speaking about this "legal system" of ours in the U.S. That's an entirely different subject.

 

[Jules]

Unfortunatly in this country the victim is guilty until proven innocent in this department anyway, and vice versa for the attacker.

 

[Lotussan]

Yes, but there is the other side too, like what happened to Steven when said woman said he did something to her...It happens all the time, and it's women like that who
are in part causing this alarming attitude...I won't assume anyone did anything until something is proven, but can you imagine if he didn't do it? How shameful is that?
So embarassing...
If a woman goes to his room or his trailer that shows she had some intentions of something, I think...
I mean she's a grown woman, but she's taking a chance not knowing who is there, or knowing him well...
Now I am not saying it means he can do ANYTHING he wants, no he has no right, but still it might give him a bit too much confidence...
It's never ok to say a woman asked to be raped, but look at the Kobe Bryant case,
it's a tough call, since she was obviously a bit loose from what I have heard of the evidence...
Not saying he was right either, since he's married he shouldn't have even been there with her...
It's a big mess, and hopefully it will be resolved fairly for whomever is innocent...

 

[yudansha]

... and what country is that? ...

"in this country the victim is guilty until proven innocent in this department anyway, and vice versa for the attacker"

It doesn't work that way, Julie. The system is corrupt.

That statement sounds like you think that Anderson is guilty just because he was arrested.

And Serena, the legal system is very much connected to how people judge.

Serena, I'm not saying that Anderson is innocent or anything. It's just hard to believe, but if that's the case, then so be it, he should be sentenced and serve the time that he gets.

 

[Jules]

Ok, maybe I am wrong. But that is how it sounds in the media. It is a hard topic to prove with much to be gained or lost.

 

[Mason]

First DMX
Then JA-Rule
Now Anthony Andersen?!!?!?


That's a shame, I really liked that guy. I just don't get why Hollywood celebs always get into trouble. They have so much money and fame, why do they need to steal cars and rape women?

You just answered the question yourself! People know how mutch money celebs have and they will stop at nothing to get a piece of the pie!(and im not talking about cake). As soon as people hear that a celebs is being charged with something some one else is allways going to take it up a notch Especially in Hollywood! Most of these people that charge celebs are moneyhungry pigs! Unfortunatly some charges turns out to be true and thats the sad.. thing that it is hard to see if it is true or not these days!

 

[ORANGATUANG]

I dont think that any body should get away with an crime if they have DONE it..No matter who they are after all they are just that ACTORS... Take there star status away and they are just like you or me..just with MONEY..

 

[TDWoj]

Which makes them a target for spurious accusations. The trouble is, once an accusation is made, it tends to stick. And make no mistake about it; Anthony Anderson has already been tried and convicted in the media - look at the response here. If he's accused, well, he MUST be guilty, right? I mean, there's no reason for the alleged victim to lie, is there? And if he's acquitted, well, then, it'll be a miscarriage of justice because there's no way the alleged victim would have made up such a story, and he'll be acquitted because he's a star, all the usual stuff.

Either way, Anthony Anderson loses.

The problem is that if a woman cries wolf! people have been conditioned to see the wolf, even if there isn't one there. But the more spurious accusations there are, the more people will be less inclined to see a wolf, and then one day when a woman really does get raped by someone in the spotlight, well...

I'm not saying that's the case here, or that the alleged victim is lying. I do find it interesting, however, that everyone is willing to believe Anthony Anderson, who has never had even so much as an accusation of sexual harrassment or improper behaviour towards women is automatically considered guilty just because of the accusation; but Steven's history of improper behaviour around women and accusations and lawsuits against him for sexual harrassment are all false because he's as pure as the driven snow, and the women accusing him were just out for the money.

Interesting dichotomy of attitudes, I'm thinking.

-TD, presenting an alternate view