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Seagal's Worst...

#21
For me it was "TICKER". Executive Decision was a very good movie and Seagal was was the hero and also very "bad ass" in it..I wish he could have been in the whole movie but his part was important. It was one of his best 10 to 15 minutes in any of his movies.." Who's gonna do it; You?"
 

RichieMadano

Out For Justice Fan
#24
He's done several unwatchable films. I think the worst three are

The Patriot
The Foreigner
Out for a Kill

There are a few others that I am not keen on, but I keep watching in the hope that one day he'll make another masterpiece!
 

KATHYPURDOM

Steven Seagal Fan
#26
RichieMadano said:
He's done several unwatchable films. I think the worst three are

The Patriot
The Foreigner
Out for a Kill

There are a few others that I am not keen on, but I keep watching in the hope that one day he'll make another masterpiece!


Richie, I think that the part Steven plays in his movies are great but we can't blame him for the bad direction or editing. I didn't like The foreigner or OFAK but his parts in those movies, he was and is The Master. This is just my opinoin.
 

RichieMadano

Out For Justice Fan
#27
KATHYPURDOM said:
I think that the part Steven plays in his movies are great but we can't blame him for the bad direction or editing
I think he deserves more of the blame than you might think. He was also one of the producers for The Foreigner and Out for a Kill. Surely part of the producer's role is to ensure that the script and direction are of a high standard?
 
#28
Exec. Decision

I'd have to say The Foreigner. The premise was good, but the movie was not put together well, plus the casting was not spectacular (not even close ... if it wasn't for Steven Seagal, I don't think there would ever be a group of people discussing the movie).

As far as Executive Decision goes, the original contract with the actors remains sort of a conspiracy, because Steven Seagal was not intended to die in that movie, but still ended up with a great, but unfortunate role. All in all, Executive Decision as a whole turned out to be great (although not a masterpiece like Seagal's Under Siege). And please ... Kurt Russell? (lol ... no) I think after Seagal, Halle Berry made that movie (who I used to be a fan of, until that Bond movie ... don't ask if you don't get it).
 
#29
It would have to be Half Past Dead. Everything about the film is terrible, the acting, Badly done PG13 action sequences, Steven Seagal Uses a Stunt Double for everything other than walking in this film. I don't know why they bothered releasing this in theaters. Ticker was equally bad but Seagal was just a co-star in Ticker and not the Star. Seagal's role in this film was originally smaller but the director expanded Seagal's role by using out-takes and adding a fight sequence with a stand-in.
 
#30
HPD is hilarious!

Here's the thing though, Half Past Dead was advertised as an action film. And as much as all of you want to believe that, I see it as the most comedic film that Seagal has made, and I liked it for that. I saw Half Past Dead as a far greater entertainment than Patriot (which I actually enjoyed for its biological stand point), Foreigner or Out for a Kill.

rgray have you seen Seagal's movies that were made after Half Past Dead?

I haven't seen Ticker, so I can't comment on it. But I do agree that HPD would be the worst Seagal-type movie out of all made before HPD (I haven't seen Ticker, so I can't compare HPD to it).
 
#31
Half Past Dead

The worst is either Ticker, Out for a Kill or The Patriot (unless you count My Giant). I really like Half Past Dead but would like it more had it been a good solid 'R'. With lots of salty language and traditional Seagal bone-breaking violence it would have been a great film but the 'PG-13' rating crucified it as it restricted everything that is good about Die Hard-esque movies. Plus Nia Peeples was certainly a villain to die for!
 
#32
lol ... more language and more Nia right?

lol ... salty language

and yes a villain to die for, Ja Rule was actually hitting on her during shooting of the film and Nia was happy to give him a real beating during some of the scenes (she was not faking at some points)
 
#33
Nia the knuckle

I don't blame him that bared midriff would have doubtless turned me into a lecherous monster too. I never thought blue eye-shadow could be a good thing but she certainly pulled it off and then some. Though most people have criticised Ja Rule in the film too I have to say I don't think he was too bad all things considered, he made a good buddy for Seagal and, unlike a certain other ex-co star of Seagal's who raps for a living, he has nothing but good things to say about Steven.
 
#34
ja and dmx

steve, ja rule is too afraid of Seagal. it just makes me laugh thinking of what type of fight (quite immature getting from now on) would be if ja rule wanted to oppose Seagal (ok, no more stupid set-ups), back to that blue shadow - i know what u mean

actually, DMX respects Steven Seagal's work very much, it's just that DMX is not much into martial arts, he's more of a street fighter type (doesn't do what he calls Steven's 'fancy' moves, just grabbing, pulling - and not as in judo, just wherever the hand lands on); dmx is a good guy, but he can make a movie with as salty of a language as you want
 
#35
Salty language

Lol, well salty is always a plus point and Exit Wounds had a good deal of it. Sadly Seagal himself never seems to curse anymore, the last time he uttered the dreaded 'f' word was in Glimmer Man way back in '96. DMX isn't all that bad, I'm not big on the hip-hop but his stuff is pretty good and helped give Exit Wounds a boost in the music department too. I saw Cradle 2 The Grave recently which was sadly not even half as good, one scene in particular where Jet Li literally runs up a wall had me wondering just what the hell was going on. It brought back painful memories of the gravity-less Monkeyman from Out For a Kill.

"After you finish sticking that needle into baldy's skull."
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
#37
I liked the first 20 minutes of Half Past Dead, and then after that it was all downhill. It would have helped if Don Michael Paul knew anything at all about how to tell a story, both written and visually. Oh, he told a story, all right - except that it was the wrong one.

You don't make a point of showing there's a gun on the mantlepiece (that's a lit'ry reference which my migraine-fried brain can't immediately be specific about) and then not do anything with it, except as a footnote in the epilogue. Sheesh.

-TD, having only had one day's respite from Mr. Migraine and now he's back again with a vengeance
 

Mama San

Administrator
#38
TDWoj said:
I liked the first 20 minutes of Half Past Dead, and then after that it was all downhill. It would have helped if Don Michael Paul knew anything at all about how to tell a story, both written and visually. Oh, he told a story, all right - except that it was the wrong one.

You don't make a point of showing there's a gun on the mantlepiece (that's a lit'ry reference which my migraine-fried brain can't immediately be specific about) and then not do anything with it, except as a footnote in the epilogue. Sheesh.

-TD, having only had one day's respite from Mr. Migraine and now he's back again with a vengeance
TD,
I don' know if it's just my faulty memory or your Mr. Migraine
but.............:D
what gun on what mantle??????
God bless,
Mama san
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
#39
Sorry, Mama san - :D - I did warn you it was a literary reference.

It's a quote from Anton Chekhov, specifically, "If there is a gun hanging on the wall in the first act, it must fire in the last."
- - - Anton Chekhov (advice to a novice playwright)

In other words, if you put something into a story and you make a point of pointing it out in the "first act" or the first few pages of a story, you have to use it by the time you get to the end.

In HPD, they make a big to-do about this mastermind criminal in the first few minutes of the film, who then disappears like he never existed, and then just turns up as a footnote at the end of the movie - it's like the quote - the gun - the mastermind criminal - wasn't used at all. Instead, the story took a complete left turn into something else.

This is a kind of writer's shorthand I engage in with my writerly colleagues, and I forget sometimes that not everyone is au courant with the references.

-TD, in literary mode tonight
 
#40
yudansha said:
Here's the thing though, Half Past Dead was advertised as an action film. And as much as all of you want to believe that, I see it as the most comedic film that Seagal has made, and I liked it for that. I saw Half Past Dead as a far greater entertainment than Patriot (which I actually enjoyed for its biological stand point), Foreigner or Out for a Kill.

rgray have you seen Seagal's movies that were made after Half Past Dead?

I haven't seen Ticker, so I can't comment on it. But I do agree that HPD would be the worst Seagal-type movie out of all made before HPD (I haven't seen Ticker, so I can't compare HPD to it).
I have seen them and i really enjoyed them. Belly Of The Beast is the best of the 3 followed by Out For a Kill because of the cool fight sequences and then The Foreigner. Each of these films are not perfect and have some problems but are way better than Half Past Dead. Belly Of The Beast should have went to the cinemas.