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Seagal's Worst...

#41
TDWoj said:
Sorry, Mama san - :D - I did warn you it was a literary reference.

It's a quote from Anton Chekhov, specifically, "If there is a gun hanging on the wall in the first act, it must fire in the last."
- - - Anton Chekhov (advice to a novice playwright)

In other words, if you put something into a story and you make a point of pointing it out in the "first act" or the first few pages of a story, you have to use it by the time you get to the end.

In HPD, they make a big to-do about this mastermind criminal in the first few minutes of the film, who then disappears like he never existed, and then just turns up as a footnote at the end of the movie - it's like the quote - the gun - the mastermind criminal - wasn't used at all. Instead, the story took a complete left turn into something else.

This is a kind of writer's shorthand I engage in with my writerly colleagues, and I forget sometimes that not everyone is au courant with the references.

-TD, in literary mode tonight

Wow!TD quoting Chekhov!To be honest,even I can't do that!
 

KATHYPURDOM

Steven Seagal Fan
#42
RichieMadano said:
I think he deserves more of the blame than you might think. He was also one of the producers for The Foreigner and Out for a Kill. Surely part of the producer's role is to ensure that the script and direction are of a high standard?

OK you got me there Richie. Maybe he was having an off day.LOL
I know that's not true, but I still and always will enjoy watching his movies. Wires, doubles, not using his own voice are all not good for his movies. But I will continue to enjoy them and wait for his next one to come out.
 
#43
Well,Richie,you can blame him as much as you want and dislike his certain films as much as you want but there are also certain people who even like these certain films and these are not just females!And these are opinions of youe own and of our own.And you can't expect everyone to think the same way...alright...if I tell you I agree with you.The dot.No more conversation.Controversy,bring an argument,get a contrattack-Seagal fans are the ones who don't always agree.:D
 

RichieMadano

Out For Justice Fan
#44
tora said:
Well,Richie,you can blame him as much as you want and dislike his certain films as much as you want but there are also certain people who even like these certain films and these are not just females!
You are right of course. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just like to argue! I'm glad that some people got pleasure from The Foreigner.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
#46
This man is awesome!





Dear suzi, where is the photo of him with the tan gloves? eeeeeeee,
I can't find it, I want to see this photo! I love him sooooooooooo
soooooooooo much!
 

Mama San

Administrator
#47
On this board, you can bet your sweet bippy we all have a right to our opinions!! But please, if you don't like a film, say so and then forget it, don't try to beat the subject to death!! I'm sure about 98% of us get sick and tired of reading the same criticizing post after post after post!

Some on this board tend to forget that this is a Steven Seagal Web Site!
He may never see anything written here or perhaps, just maybe, he might!
Who knows??? I for one would be very embarrassed for him to read some of the posts! Criticism is fine, to a point, but it does have a tendency to get run into the ground here! Doesn't the "almighty press" do enough to him, must we have to read it post after post here?

Just my opinion!!!
God bless,
Mama san
 
#48
No,Casey,not of course,but it always seems to me we get a messup here whenever someone is trying to say something and it turns out to be wrong.
And to those who say they don't like a certain movie,just don't try to convince everybody it's totally bad coz one might see there something the other hasn't noticed and it's obvious all people have different points of view and tastes and it's not the point to argue about,I mean not a reason to start a fight here.
 
#49
Oh the great Chekhov

Excellent of you to quote Chekhov, TD. However, you didn't expect Half Past Dead to win an Oscar. It wasn't meant to be for that type of a movie. It was just a big bad ass movie with a twist on the classics told about Alcatraz. I am glad that it went to theatres, and I loved the story along with directing making everyone look good in their roles (i.e. Sasha and 49er6; I'm not a fan of Ja Rule, but I enjoyed his role in the movie).

There is a single light of science, and to brighten it anywhere is to brighten it everywhere.
--Isaac Asimov
 

suziwong

Administrator
Staff member
#50
Lotussan said:
This man is awesome!





Dear suzi, where is the photo of him with the tan gloves? eeeeeeee,
I can't find it, I want to see this photo! I love him sooooooooooo
soooooooooo much!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: how ???? :D
 
#52
RichieMadano said:
He's done several unwatchable films. I think the worst three are

The Patriot
The Foreigner
Out for a Kill

There are a few others that I am not keen on, but I keep watching in the hope that one day he'll make another masterpiece!
Yep couldn't agree more. Actually i'd say HPD was worse than the patriot, which i didn't mind too much. I haven't seen Ticker or BOTB but The Foreigner and Out for a Kill are, lets face it, absolutely atrocious...Yeah everyone loves him and would die for him and all his movies are masterpieces etc. etc. but pretty much all the films post glimmer man (exception being exit wounds) are absolute shite for those who don't worship the guy.

I'm hoping (because i really enjoy the good ones) that one of the ones due out this year will be of a higher standard.Of course a decent action film requires decent investment and people aren't putting $100 mill into seagal flicks these days..God i've gone waaaay OT

my first post here aswell.


no signature i don't like them
 

KATHYPURDOM

Steven Seagal Fan
#53
hugose said:
Yep couldn't agree more. Actually i'd say HPD was worse than the patriot, which i didn't mind too much. I haven't seen Ticker or BOTB but The Foreigner and Out for a Kill are, lets face it, absolutely atrocious...Yeah everyone loves him and would die for him and all his movies are masterpieces etc. etc. but pretty much all the films post glimmer man (exception being exit wounds) are absolute shite for those who don't worship the guy.

I'm hoping (because i really enjoy the good ones) that one of the ones due out this year will be of a higher standard.Of course a decent action film requires decent investment and people aren't putting $100 mill into seagal flicks these days..God i've gone waaaay OT

my first post here aswell.


no signature i don't like them

Welcom to the group hugose. I did not like the plot of TF or OFAK but I don't know how you can say the HPD was worse than The Patriot. I liked them both very much. Of course any movie with Steven in it is worth seeing over and over. You have to see BOTB, Steven looks really, really........ go to other thread, good in this movie.
Kathy
 

Disciple

come get some
#54
If you had asked me maybe a year ago, I would have said Ticker. Now I think it's either OFAK or The Foreigner.

Even though I thought BOTB sucked, it did have a few things going for it that saved it from being Sensei's worst in my opinon.
 

RichieMadano

Out For Justice Fan
#55
hugose said:
Yep couldn't agree more. Actually i'd say HPD was worse than the patriot, which i didn't mind too much.
My main reason for not liking The Patriot was that there wasn't enough action in it! To be fair, the story and acting weren't particularly bad, I think when I saw this one I was really hoping for something more like Out for Justice (although I think that about pretty much every film I ever see, even romantic comedies!)


hugose said:
Of course a decent action film requires decent investment and people aren't putting $100 mill into seagal flicks these days..
I'm sure everyone on this board wishes that he could make another big budget film. But budgets aren't everything; I don't know for sure, but I would guess his early films were fairly low budget and they were excellent. And at the Risk of going off-topic, if you want to see a really brilliant low budget film, see Drive with Mark Dacascos. IMDB says that it only cost $3.5 million and yet the action is absolutely non-stop!


hugose said:
God i've gone waaaay OT
Not at all! It's good to read your opinions. I look forward to many a long debate in the future!




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#57
Yep it's not the price but the quality that matters.Sometimes I do buy second hand clothes but the quality is about brand new.So if you ask me the same question in several years I'll still be visiting second hand stores from time to time.:D
 
#58
I think I have to make a point here. It's calling to me. None of Seagal's movies are "good" persay; well, good as in award worthy. But they are enjoyable, and good in the true sense of the word. Even his "bad" movies are great. In fact, the worse his movies are, the better they are. They become best-worst films. So in the end, Seagal doesn't actually have any bad movies. For the bad are so bad that they're good. Like Fulci Zombie movies, or the Evil Dead flicks.
 

Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
#59
Well if they were bad, which they of course, aren't at all...
Then he wouldn't be in half the position that he's in....
And he probably would not still be making films...
If he retires any time soon, then it will be because he chooses to...
He's one of the most capable at running his own show, I think he has his fingers in a lot of pies so to speak...
And I think he has a lot more to do with his films than we think, I see things that I think he influences quite often...
And he is a mega-star who is well known worldwide...
Couldn't have got there doing bad movies...
Maybe he's not as well known by the very young, that's all...
Oh, and they don't promote his films enough at all...
I wonder why that is...
 
#60
Iam sorry but its only normal that some movies do flop, it hurts me to say this but evensteven may have ones that flop but it is rare that that happens.As for an adward what i have read and seen Steven isnt to fazed if he gets an adward or not..We know that he is excellent and that all that matters..