What is your faith?

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Lotussan

I Belong To Steven
You're just as welcome here as anyone, Julie...
As I am sure Jalu will tell you...
Religion is just a very touchy
subject, so all have to be sure to be tolerant of one
another...
And most importantly we have to learn about
and respect one another's beliefs even if we disagree...:)

BTW, are there any muslims or hindus here?

I want to learn a little more about hindusim...:)
 

tora

Funmaker
If you wanna learn something about Hinduism, read the original manuscripts.And Blavatskaya too.
 

tora

Funmaker
Julie Scarborough said:
Jalu, Read what I put in the Earth age thread 4/27. I affirm what I believe with the Bible. I chose NOT to use MY translation there, because I knew this would happen. Matthew 7:6 Share Gods word(the bible) with people who do not want to hear it, they will turn and attack you. Jalu, I try to practice what I preach. I am not perfect. I sometimes fail, I'm human. I was speaking for myself included in my post. I have made my choice and you have made yours concerning this topic. I will still listen to what other people believe, but I have the right to respectfully disagree if I choose. If you choose not to believe the Bible that is between you and "your god"or whatever you believe. I would like to be able to be friends even if we do not share the same beliefs.:) Am I squashing and bullying if I read from the Bible, a book God said is his word? I am beginning to think ANY belief is welcome here as long as you do not mention God or Bible. If I can not share from the Bible like others share their beliefs here, then I guess I am not welcomed here. Maybe I should just be a Seagal fan without conversing with other fans. Just say the word and I am gone. The ball is in your court! I will not stay where I am not welcomed. Sincerely, Julie :(

Hey Julie,if you think you can leave that easily just don't think I'm gonna let you go this way.I have such a controversy going here...
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yudansha

TheGreatOne
No joke here...

Julie: "Do I detect anger here?"

Absolutely not Julie. By saying: "LOL Julie ... and if I knew how to collect'em :=))" I referred to your earlier post of "Another two cents!!! (now if I only knew how to put pennies on my post it would be perfect.)"

By saying "Don't be a bad guy...be a nice guy." I was just implying that I am not here to argue or be a bad guy.

Jalu: "unless you are excited about Lucy a.k.a the missing link"

I don't know Jalu, but the cold hard evidence (just like that astrolapithecus) that archeologists find all lead biologists to one conclusion - that it was evolution that started it all as opposed to ...
 

Jules

Potters Clay
I have questions for who ever wishes to answer. If God calls the Bible the living word of God, do we say he is wrong? If God says in the Bible that "this" happened, or "that" happened, do we say He is wrong and some scientists for example are more wise and knowledgable than God? How is anyone here sure that God doesn't exist and the Bible is not what God says it is? I personally choose to believe the Bible and God than man because I believe he knows beyond our comprehension. God said he made the heavens and the earth; also man starting with Adam and Eve, how does that make man smarter than God?
 

Jalu

Steve's Destiny
Julie,

My dear the Bible was comissioned by the Emperor Constantine, when he saw that he could take advantage of the growing number of followers of Jesus' teachings. He declared Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, and unified all the pagans under the banner of Christianity. Most of the stuff there was written 300 years after Jesus died, and it was the Roman Empire who called it the word of God just as they called their emperors the son(s) of God. The Bible you have at home is just one of many versions that have become acceptable for the time being. If you read the Jerusalem Bible you will notice there are differences. The Bilble has been altered many times to suit the needs of the emperos(in the past) and the clergy. You should read the Gospel of Thomas which was found in Nag Hagmandi in 1945. It is the closest thing to the original teachings of jesus, yet the Church has declared it a heresy.

And as far as what people chose to believe there has never been a problem in this place before. For example Casey is very true to her beliefs, but she's not going around preaching to anyone and saying that she is right because she quoted the Bible. You know that was the same mentality that the inquisitors, slave traders, and colonizers had to submit non-believers.

BTW...everyone in my family is a Christian (not Bible quoters though) and I was educated in Catholic schools....so there's no need to preach.
 

TDWoj

Administrator
Staff member
The Bible was written by men, and men are fallible. That's not to say the Word was not given by God; but much can happen between the delivery and the recording. The Bible is man's interpretation of the Word of God, and may not in many circumstances be the Word itself.

The Bible is incomplete, by the way; there's a whole passel of books that have been arbitrarily excluded (the Apocrypha) because they don't fit in with what the men - and I do mean men - wanted to have the people hear and believe in the culture of the day.

I don't have any problem believing in both the Bible and in science, as regards creation. I do believe man evolved over time into a sentient being; and it was that moment of sentience that God created, when the time was right.

The problem with believing everything in the Bible is that it flat-out contradicts itself, particularly in the Gospels - those stories, for example, were told long after the fact, the earliest, about 40 years (Gospel of John) to nearly 400 years. The Book of Revelations is also a problem, since it is written in a kind of code for which the key has long since been lost. And the New Testament was written in Greek, by Greeks; and they've had this thing about the second-class status of women ever since Aristotle decided that women were aberrations of nature (hence why a number of the books in the Apocrypha are those which show women in strong leadership roles, which didn't sit well with the Greek fathers of the church of the day. Also, subsequently, it didn't help that St. Thomas Aquinas took up Aristotle's anti-feminist war-cry and seriously impaired the woman's role in the Catholic church even further).

There is a lot of wisdom in the Bible. I've found whenever I was in a particularly poor frame of mind, if I went to church, the reading of the day seemed to ignite a spark, and I'd feel much better because it always gave me something to think about. But again, there's selective censorship going on here, because what you get in church are the best bits, carefully edited.

I had occasion to read parts of the Koran recently. It's a very curious thing to read; for one thing, it gives women more rights than the teachings in the Bible. But on the other hand, it encourages beating women if they get too uppity. How much of that are the words of Mohammed and how much of it was influenced by the culture of the people who wrote the Koran?

The Bible is a record of man's understanding of the Word of God, written in the culture of the day, and in the customs of the people of the day; and that understanding is, at best, imperfect. Our interpretation must come from what God Himself gave us - free will and intelligence. To do anything else is to waste that gift.
 

tora

Funmaker
True,original texts were distorted to be on service of those who wanted to support their power.
Jalu and TD,thanks a great deal!
 

kickingbird

candle lighter
TD- concerning the Holy Quran - the Prophet Muhammad (Sal) was challenged with the long established tribal cultures of that region. Traditions and cultural beliefs that had been practiced for thousands of years were not easily changed - in fact, the Prophet was chased away and his family and followers were threatened and attacked. The original teachings were also destroyed by leaders who came afterward to promote their own bias. It is said that there are still some who carry the pure messages that were handed down verbally. Those few have quietly taught those who would learn. It is a far cry from the media-hyped "Islamic" religion that is known today. Even the stories of the life of the Prophet has been warped and twisted to reflect "tribal culture"; hence the misguided belief in jihad (holy war) to be used for revenge. That is totally contrary to what God intends - the true jihad is within one's own heart and mind - to discard dark qualities such as hatred, malice, revenge, murder and open up the Heart to God's Qualities of Compassion, Love, Patience, Tolerance and treating others' lives as one's own.
How sad it is that so many people of all faiths have forgotten the "Golden Rule" that pertains to all faiths, all religions, all paths because it is universal in scope.
Peace
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
Are angels only male as by the Bible?..I found this, that might interest some of you.

Charlie's Angels and those angels that used to always touch people on TV are clearly female, but for some reason I couldn't find them in the Bible.

While it's true that most, if not all, angels in the Bible are referred to with male pronouns and other male terms (e.g. "sons of God," looking "like men") it doesn't necessarily follow that "all angels are male." In fact, it's suggested that angels have no gender, at least not gender as we humans understand it.

Matthew 22:30 says:

For in the resurrection they [humans] neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
So according to the Bible, angels do not marry. And since angels live forever, they have no need to procreate — male/female distinctions are not really necessary.

There is perhaps one reference to female angels, in Zechariah 5:9:

Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
It's not specifically stated that these "winged women" are angels, but they are clearly some sort of spiritual (non-human) beings.

AMA
 

Jules

Potters Clay
Jalu said:
Julie,

My dear the Bible was comissioned by the Emperor Constantine, when he saw that he could take advantage of the growing number of followers of Jesus' teachings. He declared Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire, and unified all the pagans under the banner of Christianity. Most of the stuff there was written 300 years after Jesus died, and it was the Roman Empire who called it the word of God just as they called their emperors the son(s) of God. The Bible you have at home is just one of many versions that have become acceptable for the time being. If you read the Jerusalem Bible you will notice there are differences. The Bilble has been altered many times to suit the needs of the emperos(in the past) and the clergy. You should read the Gospel of Thomas which was found in Nag Hagmandi in 1945. It is the closest thing to the original teachings of jesus, yet the Church has declared it a heresy.

And as far as what people chose to believe there has never been a problem in this place before. For example Casey is very true to her beliefs, but she's not going around preaching to anyone and saying that she is right because she quoted the Bible. You know that was the same mentality that the inquisitors, slave traders, and colonizers had to submit non-believers.

BTW...everyone in my family is a Christian (not Bible quoters though) and I was educated in Catholic schools....so there's no need to preach.
Jalu, I will respond to this claim once I finish my homework on this topic. You have mentioned things I have never heard before. I am not a Bible scholar, so I need to get the texts out that talk about Bible history.:)Julie
 

DoHuhJooSay

Avid Fan
See it never fails... The Holy Bible and science do not go together. Not even close. Even when you are dicussing the science of the Bible.
"This" contradicts "That" and "That" contradicts "This". That's why it's all about faith. If God wanted there to be undeniable proof (in science) then faith would disappear because everyone would know He is real.
Faith is a God fearing person's undeniable evidence that God is true and real.
You can study your heart out, but in the end it will still fall to the most famous question... Is God real? Is the Bible true? etc etc.
And that my friend is where faith and only faith will will come in. Do you have faith (believe) God is real, true, there, sitting on His throne. On His right side is the One and Only Jesus?
Heaven is a place that no human can comprehend. Come the end of the world only the worthy will preside.
If there was scientifical proof that God exsist then it would all be too easy. And God is not an easy God.
Throw away science for a moment, and look at God from your heart. He is someone you can't find from science.
It's only from your heart you will be able to feel God and know He is real.

~Tara
 

Jalu

Steve's Destiny
Those who really know god do not plant the seed of fear in the hearts of others.

DoHuhJooSay said:
Faith is a God fearing person's undeniable evidence that God is true and real.

~Tara
 

yudansha

TheGreatOne
Agree to the full extent ...

"God is not an easy God"

... the thing is, I personally cannot just plain and simply 'throw away' science because it's my life.
 

DoHuhJooSay

Avid Fan
Jalu, Never did I say that I try to plant the seed of fear in people. I said God fearing people. A God fearing person is someone who believes in God.
Proverbs 8:13 "Thefear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the forward mouth, do I hate"
Proverbs 10:27 "The fear of the Lord prolongeth days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened."
Proverbs 14:26 "In the fear of the Lord is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.
Proverbs 14:27 "The fear of Lord is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death."
Proverbs 19:23 "The fear of the Lord tendeth to life: and he that hath it shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited by evil."
Proverbs 23:17 "Let not thine heart envy sinners: but be thou in the fear of the Lord all day long."
There are so many more, but i believe I've made my point.

And Hallarian, how do I scare you?

~Tara
 
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